R14 and PVP Updates.

[nikai 0]

So I've been wondering what exactly is going to happen regarding;

A) The Rank 12 and onwards pvp gear that people have already purchased and if it will be updated in the coming patches. Will peoples hard earned gear retain the same stats as it did at the time of purchase? Or will it be updated to the same standard as everyone elses?

B) For classes such as Warlock, using a staff over a 1 handed weapon cripples your PVP potential and in the current patch the only weapon of use is of course; the staff. When the 1 handed caster items are added to the game in Naxxramas, will previous Rank 14's be forced to do the entire grind again to obtain those items? Or will their lifetime rank entitle them to the purchase of those items?

Thanks for your time :)

[Sabre 5]

A) Same ID, gets updated along with everyone else.

B) Need to have the rank currently to buy the item (rank 14 to buy staff at time of purchase).

[Vollfos 2]

 "- Your life time rank won't be enough to get Rank 14 gear in patch 1.11. Instead you will need to be Rank 14 at the time of purchase, as was required on retail (on Elysium PvP ONLY)"

quote from the announced PvP update

 

to A ) the official rank 12/13 update was 1.9 patch (aq 40) 

i dont know how it is with other classes , but for thewarrior, we have already the updated versions for rank 12 since beginning , the rank 13 are not upgraded.

from what i know its an upgrade( means an item ingame gets new stats if you already have it) not a new item like the blue set (requirement lvl 60 in 1.11)

means if you already have rank 13 you just get the new stats.

 

to B ) to this patch now , no one in vanilla ever knew about this new weapons which comes in 1.11 :)   

so if you are a warlock be happy that you get the staff. if you want the new weapons be rank 14 at the time of september 2018  ( thats about 15 month ). the question is, if you still plays to this date ;) . if you still play, im pretty sure you will have been acess to aq 40 and at this point naxx too!  there are some other options then too.

on the other hand im a old vanilla player and never thought that someone thinks that he can purchase the later implemented weapons , because you couldnt get them back in the days if you had that rank 14. ( it was just a wrong codec because anathema has this weapons already)

[nikai 0]

Thanks for the replies but Volfos change your god damn picture you're embarrassing yourself.

[Indormi 2]

The PvP gear originally was updated on all purchased items and at the vendor on Retail.  .

• You must be Rank 14 at the time of purchase to obtain the new PvP Weapons / Gear updates
  1. This gear will be Updated at the Vendor... As well as the items in your inventory

You are welcome to PvP and obtain the PvP gear currently obtainable if you so wish to do so, bare in mind that you will not be able to purchase the updated items in 1.9 without physically being "RANK 14" at the time of purchase.  You must Maintain that rank to do so.

[gambinho 11]

when does the blue gear gets updated and do we need to rank to 10 again to purchase it?!

[knn 0]

So you basically fucked over everyone ranking to get their future R10 sets? Since they are also separate items from the 58 set. I have seen zero discussion this was what people wanted. Please in detail link me all the threads where people asked for this. Can't believe you choose to listen to vocal minorities and make rushed decisions. time and time again.

Also where is the sources that this indeed was the case? This feels like it dodged the bugtracker completely and straight into some dev who magically thought I MUST implement this. REALLY MAKES YOU THINK.

[Muldreg 3]

IIRC the armor/weapons should still update even if you have bought it already, but you should not have access to the new weapons that release in 1.11 without hitting R14 again. All your already purchased gear and armor should update.

Unless the item ID change for the blue set when it goes from being lvl 58 gear to 60, this should be the case.

Other items that players already own will get their updated stats when the AV patch hits Elysium, are items like Viskag getting updated for players who already own it? of course it will! why would this be any different for pvp gear? the only thing you shouldn't have access too are things not currently in this patch when they release later. You shouldn't need to regrind to R13 just to REPURCHASE the armor you already own. Your gear should be updated because you had already earned that.

[Justme 9]

20 hours ago, Muldreg said:

IIRC the armor/weapons should still update even if you have bought it already, but you should not have access to the new weapons that release in 1.11 without hitting R14 again. All your already purchased gear and armor should update.

Unless the item ID change for the blue set when it goes from being lvl 58 gear to 60, this should be the case.

Other items that players already own will get their updated stats when the AV patch hits Elysium, are items like Viskag getting updated for players who already own it? of course it will! why would this be any different for pvp gear? the only thing you shouldn't have access too are things not currently in this patch when they release later. You shouldn't need to regrind to R13 just to REPURCHASE the armor you already own. Your gear should be updated because you had already earned that.

What is blizzlike?

[knn 0]

You dont seem to get it, the blue 60 PVP set is A DIFFERENT set compared to 58. In the beginning when they fucked up and let the 60 gear stay some people had both 58 and 60 versions coupled (followed by massive outrage because people had double 2set bonus by r8)

Basically everyone who ranked to 10 to get a good upgraded set later (because the current ones are shit for most classes) did it in vain. They got a r9 banner. HOORAY!

[Logolasxx 0]

Wait I'm confused. If I have R13 set, is it going to be updated on my character without having to re-rank? Just simple yes or no answer pls

[squaw 5]

On 6/15/2017 at 6:09 PM, Logolasxx said:

Wait I'm confused. If I have R13 set, is it going to be updated on my character without having to re-rank? Just simple yes or no answer pls

Bump. From the video you guys made it seem like it was just the R14 weapons. Does this include gear or not?

As in, if I have the level 58 blue pieces, am I going to have to rank to 10 all over again months later just to get the level 60 set?

[Fell 0]

Damn this is so lame. Watching that puppet video they only talked about r14 items needs to be repurchased with r14 at patch 1.11.
I just wanted to rank up to r10 and get the lvl 60 blue gear on update. Got r9 and half. But since The items wont get updated no point even grind that r10 items. they are shit. So many hours spend for nothing.
Early at some point on patch 1.3. some ppl managed to buy the lvl 60 blues. Later changed to normal 58 blue so its up to patch.

Also WTF I deleted my WTB folder and logged in Anathema, I see there ppl got the blue lvl 60 PVP gear. ???

[Fell 0]

SO whats going on? Will the blue PVP set update with BWL release on Ely as it did on Anathema?

 

[Hudson 16]

No. The blue pvp set are separate items (and item IDs), and you will need to have the rank necessary to purchase them when they are released.

[poma 0]

Dear community,

We have carefully read through your feedback regarding the current situation of the PvP scene and we have finally decided to implement the following changes:

Respec costs are being lowered from a maximum of 50 gold to 25 gold.

Spoiler

The blue pvp set are separate items (and item IDs), and you will need to have the rank necessary to purchase them when they are released.

Your life time rank won't be enough to get Rank 14 gear in patch 1.11. Instead you will need to be Rank 14 at the time of purchase, as was required on retail (on Elysium PvP ONLY)

 

Best regards
Elysium Staff

[Caber 4]

On 13.6.2017 at 8:14 AM, Indormi said:

The PvP gear originally was updated at the Vendor ONLY on Retail.  Players have complained about this not being the case and wanted a more Blizz-like feel so we changed it back to the original....  and is as follows...

Source on that? Because I strongly doubt the truth in this.

 

Here's why:

Weapons were buffed in 12 July 2005, patch 1.6.0.

Quote

Grand Marshal and High Warlord PvP Honor rewards have been updated with improved statistics and new unique art.

Source: http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.6.0 + https://www.engadget.com/2011/07/12/wow-archivist-world-of-warcraft-patch-1-6/

 

Here's the r14 weapon stats in May 2005. (this is before 1.6, obviously).

https://web.archive.org/web/20050529103912/http://wow.allakhazam.com:80/item.html?witem=18877

Here's the same weapon ID, stats in June 2006

https://web.archive.org/web/20060629120918/http://wow.allakhazam.com:80/item.html?witem=18877

 

Notice same weapon ID. Notice (by digging through https://web.archive.org/web/20060613141358/http://wow.allakhazam.com:80/dyn/items/wname8.html) that there are never, at any point of the game, two different sets of r14 weapons (buffed and unbuffed) in the game like you claim there were.

 

You may verify the same situation with the Purple PvP set.. To keep it short:

Buff in 1.11 20 June 2006

http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.11.0

 

 

pre-buff stats https://web.archive.org/web/20050427224929/http://wow.allakhazam.com:80/db/itemset.html?setid=383

post-buff stats https://web.archive.org/web/20060722043017/http://wow.allakhazam.com:80/db/itemset.html?setid=383

no duplicate item sets https://web.archive.org/web/20060721093514/http://wow.allakhazam.com:80/db/itemset.html

Notice however how the r7,r8,r10 sets have two wholly different unique sets with different item IDs for each set (Champion's Battlegear (58, old set) vs Champion's Battlearmor (60, new set), e g). This is because you are correct, THESE did only update at vendor. This should prove that even Blizzard themselves did not do DB magic and change items at the vendor only without actually adding them as new IDs.

 

So, having proven your info wrong, can we get an official dev statement to clear up any confusion o nthis please? Will devs change the weapons to not update like they did on retail? I'm tired of conflicting info on this and would like to know if the devs plan to go a non-blizzlike route (adding buffed copies of the pre-1.6 weapons simply to exclude pre-1.6 rankers from them, for no reason explained as of yet) or if you're simply sharing misinfo. Thank you.

[Ulfdar 1]

Raiders did not have to collect all new T1 pieces to get their updated stats, so why would you force pvpers to rank again and purchase another set just to get their updated gear. 

[Indormi 2]

There was some confusion with the release of the statement I had received....

 

But, for clarification... When the PvP gear receives the Update, any player who has purchased it will still have their items updated if they purchased it prior.  However, with that said you will need to be Rank 14 at the time of the update to purchase the items if you have not done as already... Or you will need to re-rank back to Rank 14.

 

I have edited my previous statement... thank you.

[Caber 4]

Thank you for the clarification!

[Indormi 2]

Note: This doesnt include the Blue sets....  Only the PvP sets that share the item numbers with the updated sets.

[Fell 0]

1 hour ago, Indormi said:

Note: This doesnt include the Blue sets....  Only the PvP sets that share the item numbers with the updated sets.

So when does the R10 lvl 60 blues come in game? 

On timelines of Elysium and Anathema it shows 1.11, but they are allrdy in game on Anathema from BWL, can we expect the same on Elysium?

Cause well the lvl 58 PVP set starting from BWL is rly outdated and not worth the grind. I just want to know, should i keep PVPing for r10 set or not...