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I was just told by a GM that I am not allowed to sit in a contested PvP zone among horde players. I must engage in PvP, BECAUSE this is a PvP server. If I do not engage in PvP, my account will result in its closure. Can you explain to me what I am to do in this situation? Because Vanilla WoW is not and never has been a game in which GM's must force you to commit some action against another player. 

I am unable to insert the media through the link, so I have transferred a few screenshots of our conversation to these Imgur's.

I understand colluding is not okay, and have provided the evidence that I KNOW the GM was given as proof of collusion. Even though the terms of agreement put emphasis on large scale collusion having to deal with "world bosses." But choosing not to attack a horde player because it takes away from my purpose of being there in the first place; which is to farm, could result in me being banned? Just does not seem reasonable to me. I am just attempting to make sure that this GM is not playing the role of judge, jury, and executioner all in one fel-swoop, by informing you the playerbase. 

All evidence can be found below.

 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Jeddite said:

NB4 Thari closes this thread.

This thread and this thread both on Page 1 makes for a ... well, I wouldn't call it "funny", per se.  

Apples and Oranges. Murdering a escort NPC is not the same thing as engaging in WPVP with players around the same level as you. It's just griefing.

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This is not in any way fair, and furthermore not against the rules. If you set out to farm gold or items, the last thing you want to do is make that process longer or worse by reducing your gold gained/ item(s) gained per hour. Why it is unreasonable to simply avoid pvp is beyond me but Thari seems to think it is. Forcing players into unwanted pvp encounters is not within the spirit of the game, regardless of circumstance(s). Yes, we are playing on a pvp server. But playing on a pvp server does not mean you have to attack every player you see. This is not what a pvp server means, and it never was. (Druid truce across faction, anyone?)

As far as I can tell this type of behavior is neither against the rules nor is there ground for "punish(ment) in more severe ways". How a single GM can choose to apply unofficial rules to a very small percent of the playerbase is atleast in my eyes a good sign that your current gamemaster infrastructure is atleast to some degree flawed. For the record, this wasn't against the rules on nostalrius, as far as I can tell it isn't against the rules here either according to anyone but Thari and it wasn't against the ToS back in the old live vanilla WoW days.

 

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Hey bud, how about you take a fucking chill pill, respect your staff, and listen to what they say? 

This is a witch hunt, you should honestly be banned for this. There are proper channels to report staff, this is not it. 

Grow the fuck up, drama queen.

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11 minutes ago, Shiamorah said:

Hey bud, how about you take a fucking chill pill, respect your staff, and listen to what they say? 

This is a witch hunt, you should honestly be banned for this. There are proper channels to report staff, this is not it. 

Grow the fuck up, drama queen.

Wew can't hear you with that thing in your mouth mate

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Yeah, this forum doesn't have nearly enough subforums for all the (non-)activity that (doesnt) get posted here.  The solution is probably more subforums.

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4 minutes ago, Amanwithaproblem said:

Sorry, I wasn't able to post in administration complaints, so this is the only place I knew where to post. This is not a witch-hunt as much as it is a call for accountability.

Why were you not able to? It is pretty clear there are 22 other threads there. 

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Can we stay on point. If this is in the wrong section it will get moved. Don't get off topic. OP has stated he would have posted this in the right section if he could have.

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Just now, Jeddite said:

Yeah, this forum doesn't have nearly enough subforums for all the (non-)activity that (doesnt) get posted here.  The solution is probably more subforums.

That is not the point, the point is it is a private forum for handling internal issues. Staff get in trouble just like everyone else. This is not a public affair, and making it public is nothing more than unnecessary drama.

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Just now, guy3341 said:

Can we stay on point. If this is in the wrong section it will get moved. Don't get off topic.

Okay staying on point- this is not a public matter. Or should we also make all ban appeals public, and all player reports public?

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Not able to post images and or links. It wasn't allowing me, thus I bring it to the player-base~~ the people who it effects. Because if you read closely to my thread, it pertains to EVERYONE, not only me. What he is saying has trickling effects for all players, and it is a very serious statement, if you do not PvP, you are eligible for account closure. Even if I am a restoration druid completely disadvantaged in battle. I still must attack or be considered a colluded. Are you not understanding the gravity of this situation? It is now a server-wide issue. Unless this is indeed a specific attack on a small portion of players. What is expected of one, must be expected of all.

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OP is absolutely in the right here in my opinion, this kind of policy seems insane. I wasn't a fan of the massive cross-collusion between the world bosses or the devilsaur mafia for example that was here a while ago, but trying to restrict really small encounters like this where you cannot possibly prove collusion is really bad, if not even worse than the previous policy. 

Even if OP posted in the wrong section or is causing an accidental witch-hunt by calling people out, this still completely warrants attention. Collusion banning should only remain for large-scale operations, trying to police every single small encounter in the world is absolute madness. 

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This is not a ban appeal, or a player report. It is a GM stating something must be done, a course of action, and all players should be informed of this as it is CLEARLY not stated in the terms of agreement.

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1 minute ago, Amanwithaproblem said:

Not able to post images and or links. It wasn't allowing me, thus I bring it to the player-base~~ the people who it effects. Because if you read closely to my thread, it pertains to EVERYONE, not only me. What he is saying has trickling effects for all players, and it is a very serious statement, if you do not PvP, you are eligible for account closure. Even if I am a restoration druid completely disadvantaged in battle. I still must attack or be considered a colluded. Are you not understanding the gravity of this situation? It is now a server-wide issue. Unless this is indeed a specific attack on a small portion of players. What is expected of one, must be expected of all.

Staff can be wrong and misinterpret rules. In these cases, you get unbanned and they get in trouble. But see you are not going through official channels, so likely nothing will occur other than staff seeing you attempt to stir drama and do absolutely nothing about it.

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2 minutes ago, Kolmar said:

OP is absolutely in the right here in my opinion, this kind of policy seems insane. I wasn't a fan of the massive cross-collusion between the world bosses or the devilsaur mafia for example that was here a while ago, but trying to restrict really small encounters like this where you cannot possibly prove collusion is really bad, if not even worse than the previous policy. 

Even if OP posted in the wrong section or is causing an accidental witch-hunt by calling people out, this still completely warrants attention. Collusion banning should only remain for large-scale operations, trying to police every single small encounter in the world is absolute madness. 

Completely agree, a GMs words are not law if they don't follow the ToU. But that isn't for the public to decide. If you feel otherwise, then this is 100% a witch hunt.

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This whole "COLLUSION BETWEEN GUILDS OF OPPOSING FACTIONS FOR THE PURPOSES OF FUCKING OVER RIVAL GUILDS DOING WORLD BOSSES IS NO LONGER ALLOWED" policy (which is good) completely expectedly turns into "HEY ANY FORM OF NOT KILLING THE ENEMY FACTION ON SIGHT IS EVIDENCE OF 'COLLUSION' AND THEREFORE A VIOLATION OF THE RULES" at some point.

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1 minute ago, Jeddite said:

This whole "COLLUSION BETWEEN GUILDS OF OPPOSING FACTIONS FOR THE PURPOSES OF FUCKING OVER RIVAL GUILDS DOING WORLD BOSSES IS NO LONGER ALLOWED" policy (which is good) completely expectedly turns into "HEY ANY FORM OF NOT KILLING THE ENEMY FACTION ON SIGHT IS EVIDENCE OF 'COLLUSION' AND THEREFORE A VIOLATION OF THE RULES" at some point.

Don't disagree, this can be considered overstepping a rule. All the more reason to handle this through proper channels. 

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GMs will not be responding until the matter has been reviewed internally. Working yourself into a fervor without knowing the facts does nobody any favours.

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1 minute ago, smiterdin said:

Nice edit btw

Yeah had to edit because I didn't think you realized this thread was posted in the wrong spot.

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Well HOPEFULLY, this post will get forwarded through the proper channel if it is indeed improper use of the forum. But I do believe that the best way for change to come about is for people to be aware of the situation. Not just the GM's and administration who interact with each other consistently.. who may also have more support of their fellow coworkers than they do a random player that has been accused of something. Changes come from an issue being addressed by multiple sources, simultaneously. That way there is less chance of ignoring the issue at hand.

 

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10 minutes ago, Amanwithaproblem said:

Well HOPEFULLY, this post will get forwarded through the proper channel if it is indeed improper use of the forum. But I do believe that the best way for change to come about is for people to be aware of the situation. Not just the GM's and administration who interact with each other consistently.. who may also have more support of their fellow coworkers than they do a random player that has been accused of something. Changes come from an issue being addressed by multiple sources, simultaneously. That way there is less chance of ignoring the issue at hand.

 

Your logic here is that staff care about themselves over others in a volunteer project. And by quickly making this assumption and posting this publicly, you are inciting not only a witch hunt, but boldly claiming that the entirety of the staff is not to be trusted and can not handle internal issues professionally. Have I got that about right?

 

If you believe staff will just sweep issues under the rug, then what is the purpose of this besides attempting to provoke drama?

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