Knines

Love your perspective, brother. Agree with a lot of what you said. I wish I could go back sometimes and live it all again for the first time.

Hello everyone, I just wanted to weigh in on this thread a bit. The announcement of Classic WoW had me listening to the zone music on youtube, which got me all nostalgic, which led me to leveling a few toons to 20 on starter retail. But man that is not the same game I remember. And my old server has none of the familiar faces... But I digress. I was one of the last High Warlords on my server, two months before BC, and even back then this was a very common topic. My team would stomp noobs all day, mostly geared in t2 with special guest ex high warlords from time to time, but when those Naxx geared raiders came to play it often got ugly. On bad days we were graveyard camped and on good days we occasionally had 2-3 hour games of Warsong Gulch where we might eke out a single victory. Now, personally, I know all about time commitments to a game. From rank 11-14 I was playing up to 22 hours a day for over a month, living on Mountain Dew and Pizza pockets. But I was never a raider. I despise PVE content. And in Vanilla WoW, there was simply no way to get comparably good gear without slaying pretend monsters. Blizzard never showed that they cared too much about PVPers. It was definitely an afterthought. There were 2 premades Horde side, mostly geared in Tier 2, on our server, and about 5 on Alliance, but only one team geared with Tier 3. I will say that it was always fun to win, and sometimes it was still fun to lose a close game, but it was NEVER fun to be so outgeared that no matter how skilled of a team I had we would wind up graveyard camped because of a gear disadvantage that we as PVP focused players could do nothing about unless we wanted to devote our lives to PVE first and PVP second (whereas the PVE players were using PVP as a way to unwind after raids). Now, sure, someone could say, "well that's Vanilla! If you want to win at PVP you have to have the best gear and if you want to have the best gear you have to be a hardcore PVE player," But, really, fuck that noise, because this isn't 2006 and there is a better way. I don't know what the better way is, per se, but the idea we had at the time was to create an Instance of BGs worth more honor which required players to be equipped with balanced sets of battlegear. Otherwise, another solution might be to offer better gear rewards for PVP (or any rewards in general), because, yeah, it sucks to queue up 5 times, get stomped, and have nothing to show for it. And before someone says "but that's not Vanilla," let me remind you that we are no longer in 2005. Blizzard had a lot of things to balance trying to make as much money as possible on thier PVE RPG adventure. I achieved High Warlord and remember what it was like. Attempting to preserve the purity of the PVP system to maintain the integrity of Vanilla is simply looking at the past with rose tinted glasses. It's not necessary. All that said, the reason I was on these forums was because I am looking for a way to play Vanilla BGs, but reading this thread, I have to say, I'm a bit turned off by the idea of trying to start a toon, leveling a toon to 60 with the intent of BG based PVP, and reaching an endgame that is already dying or dead. I'd love to play Vanilla WoW, but only if the massive amount of time I am investing in the community also feels acknowledged and rewarded as much as those investing just as much time in another part of the game. I don't think I'll be joining this time, but I do wish you all luck in figuring it out.