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or go down the Prot tree and get Reckoning for 1shot gudness :)

Because it doesn't scale with gear - whereas both Divine STR and Divine INT do For 5 Talents Points, Imp SoR gives around +20 to SoR and JoR iirc That's complete garbage for having to spend 5 talent points. Not only does STR increase your auto-attack white hits, but it also increases your Block Rating so you can block more incoming dmg - it's mandatory

Long story short - don't use Warrior gear with SoR and don't use Nightfall with SoC or SotC. Why? Because if you use warrior gear with SoR, your SoR will hit for $hit. If you use Nightfall with SoC, the proc rate for both SoC and Nightfall's "Spell Vulnerability" will both be low due to Nightfall's early Vanilla swing speed of 3.2 If you use Warrior gear with SotC and Nightfall, it's overall kinda ok - yes your auto-attack is now 40% faster but you only hit for the same amount as your regular hits (it's not the ZOMG awesome Seal it was back on Nost). Since you have Warrior gear and Arcanite Reaper at 3.8 swing speed, then I would recommend that you keep doing this with Seal of Command. Your personal DPS will be much better overall, especially if you can get a 2nd Ret Paladin so you can stack Judgement of the Crusader ranks. Otherwise, if you want to use Nightfall or your guild makes it mandatory for you, then you need to start PvPing and get at least the blue PvP set - at that point, you can use Nightfall with SoR and do decent personal DPS but also provide insane raid support as a Ret Paladin using SoR and Nightfall has the highest uptime on its proc of any class/spec in the game now. As for Seal Twisting, it's not feasible here on Elysium as SoR isn't able to proc off of a yellow attack.

enchanting an item does NOT make it soulbound in Vanilla so yes someone else can enchant it with Fiery Blaze and trade it to you

Spell Penetration does NOT remove level based resistances - aka there are no means to remove it from the combat table.

Good to know Pottu - thanks for chiming in with this update :)

no because a Holy Paladin would/should never stack +spirit on their gear as your mana regen comes from +spell crit due to the fact that you are spamming Flash of Light constantly so as to never follow the 5 second rule for spirit regen bonus to kick in

If they fix 1handed spec, then I would go with this spec 11/40/0 http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sE0zZVGtsezEo For the time being with the talent not boosting SoR by 10%, then I would go with this spec for Reckoning 11/34/6 http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sE0zZVGtcezxoV0o

Very much so but you need a very good and very slow 1hander to make it shine - I myself ran 1hand Reck for lulz on Feenix but I had Misplaced Servo Arm which is arguably, the best 1handed mace in the game due to its proc. Here's a video from retail vanilla of a Prot Paladin using 1handed Reckoning in PvP: Only difference is that I would use SoR for 1hand Reck and not SoC as shown in the video.

Seal of Command in Vanilla is "CHANCE on Hit" and not 100% proc rate like Seal of Righteousness is. SoC is based on a Proc per Minute formula and normalized at 7PPM - this means that the slower the weapon, the higher the proc rate but on the other end of the equation, the faster the weapon, the lower the proc rate. With a fast 1hander, you will be getting SoC procs maybe 15-20% of the time compared to SoR proccing 100% of the time. Also, without Consecration, you can't AoE tank for $hit either. TLDR - go 11 Holy, not 11 Ret for your Prot tanking build.

@Brem - Sorono/Simplest was a far greater "meter whore" as you put it and to top it off he was also a complete fucking kunt as a guildmate. #JustSayin Now why don't you go back to your complete dog$hit Vanilla Gaming server and leave this one where bugs actually get fixed and doesn't have a toxic playerbase comprised of about 50 people... You don't see me posting on VG anymore about how bad that server is do you? @Ram - some historical context for you - Brem is a former guildmate of both Smiter and I over on Vanilla Gaming and let's just say things got ugly over there so he's now come here to these forums to froth at the mouth against us. As for Fisher, no idea who he is - never had any interaction with him that I can remember. PS Ignite isn't even a thing here on Elysium anyway until patch 1.9 AQ is released - until then all Mages should be Frost spec - meaning that they only take up 1 debuff slot in a 40man raid "Winter's Chill" PPS I swing Nightfall with Seal of Righteousness in our guild raids to boost every casters' DPS - this was a decision that I made personally - sometimes on healing intensive fights I also put on my 8/8 Tier 1 Lawbringer set to boost heals to the tanks.

lolprot

Not too many fixes this week but at least this annoying bug was fixed: Raid bosses should be immune to Vindication (Paladin talent)

We have 2-4 Rets in each of our raids depending on who is able to show up. You may be thinking of old bugged Retribution on every other private server where nothing worked properly, but we are working properly here on Elysium. We have rank 5 and rank 6 of Judgement of the Crusader up on every trash mob and raid boss at all times and include rank 4 and rank 3 of Judgement of Wisdom if the other Rets are able to show up as well. One of our top DPS is a Retribution Paladin named Smiter: http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=Ana&player=Smiter I myself sacrifice my own personal DPS by using Nightfall with Seal of Righteousness (SoR) in order to maintain the highest uptime on its "Spell Vulnerability" proc of any class/spec in the game now that SoR properly triggers weapon/enchant/trinket procs. Sometimes, I even go into the Tank group and use my 8/8 Tier 1 Lawbringer set with Nightfall on healing intensive fights (ie: Vael) due to the 8 piece set bonus group AoE heal on melee strikes. It's insanely powerful and also I would say absolutely mandatory come Naxx to make the Loatheb fight a piece of cake. TLDR - the more Rets you have, the more powerfull all of you become due to the stacking nature of Judgement of the Crusader and Judgement of Wisdom or Light.

I have the 8/8 of the Lawbringer set: - the group aoe heal procs off of auto-attack, SoR and JoR - ideally you want a very fast 1hander if JoW is on the target as JoW is flat % based proc so faster the swing the more procs - don't use Command when using this setup as you want guaranteed attacks every swing so use SoR - use offset +spell dmg items to boost SoR dmg or use offset +STR items to boost auto-attack but make sure to get as much +hit so your white attacks don't miss - you're better off speccing into the Ret tree with this setup as you won't be doing much healing - in order to maximize this setup use Nightfall to also boost raid dps as well - you can go into the Holy tree ONLY if you also use Had of Edward the Odd for instant heals that you can use on the Tank when it procs Keep in mind that Blizzard fucked over the set ~patch 1.5 iirc, nerfed the STR/AGI, removed its secondary stats and added +healing instead: #BringBackOriginalLawbringer! Lawbringer Belt Binds when equipped Waist Plate 421 Armor +16 Intellect +8 Spirit +15 Stamina +13 Strength +3 Arcane Resistance Requires Level 60 Passive: Increases healing done by spells and effects by up to 20. Lawbringer Boots Binds when picked up Feet Plate 515 Armor +4 Agility +11 Spirit +20 Stamina +13 Strength +9 Shadow Resistance Requires Level 60 Passive: Improves your chance to hit by 1%. Lawbringer Bracers Binds when equipped Wrist Plate 328 Armor +8 Agility +7 Intellect +12 Spirit +11 Stamina +10 Strength Requires Level 60 Lawbringer Chestguard Binds when picked up Chest Plate 749 Armor +4 Agility +18 Intellect +11 Spirit +24 Stamina +15 Strength +9 Nature Resistance Requires Level 60 Passive: Increases healing done by spells and effects by up to 30. Lawbringer Gauntlets Binds when picked up Hands Plate 468 Armor +17 Spirit +11 Stamina +15 Strength +10 Frost Resistance +11 Arcane Resistance Requires Level 60 Passive: Increases your chance to block attacks with a shield by 1%. Lawbringer Helm Binds when picked up Head Plate 608 Armor +14 Intellect +11 Spirit +20 Stamina +14 Strength +6 Nature Resistance +6 Frost Resistance Requires Level 60 Passive: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%. Passive: Increases healing done by spells and effects by up to 30. Lawbringer Legplates Binds when picked up Legs Plate 655 Armor +5 Agility +10 Intellect +15 Spirit +15 Stamina +23 Strength +12 Fire Resistance +8 Shadow Resistance Requires Level 60 Passive: Increases your chance to dodge an attack by 1%. Lawbringer Spaulders Binds when picked up Shoulder Plate 562 Armor +7 Agility +14 Intellect +8 Spirit +18 Stamina +11 Strength +8 Fire Resistance +8 Shadow Resistance Requires Level 60 http://web.archive.org/web/20050207013827/http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/itemset.html?setid=208

well played sir, well played

nicely put @tippsarve - join @killerduki and The Blooders and tear holy $hit up - they raid predominantly euro times though. if you are in NA you can join Smiter and myself in Globo Gym as we run 3-4 Rets in our raids and have been looking for a Disc priest to DPS with us - Smiter goes balls to the wall Ret DPS every raid and I swing Nightfall to boost all casters - here's his RP page: http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=Ana&player=Smiter http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/PlayerOverview.aspx?realm=Ana&player=Smiter

I'm RECK actually

Killerduki told me and others that Spell Penetration works against level resistance - it's not worth trying to stack as Retribution though since you have to sacrifice so many other stats. -edit- Hmmm, you may be right - did some digging around for other spell penetration items: Rune of Perfection Binds when picked up Unique Trinket +7 Stamina Classes: Priest, Shaman, Mage, Warlock, Druid Requires Level 40 Equip: Decreases the magical resistances of your spell targets by 20. By alcy on 08/17/2008 (Patch 2.4.3) Spell Penetration affects targets amount of Resistances vs. Your spells - and most mobs have 0 resistance bar certain special mobs. It doesn't do anything against the level difference of mobs you grind (there you need Spell Hit) Last edited by alcy on 08/17/2008 (Patch 2.4.3) http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=21565#wh-comments

Well said my friend, well said!

-disregard-

Gardash, the math works - Disc + Ret is a viable strategy. As I said above, @tippsarve is topping charts without any Ret help at all as a Horde Disc Priest. Just imagine if he played Alliance side...

I don't play a Priest, I play a Paladin (Ret for PvE and Reck for PvP). And I've already proven my point in the fact that he is topping DPS charts as a Horde Disc Priest without Sanctity Aura or Judgement of Wisdom or Judgement of the Crusader. It's called Math bro. Add +10% to his DPS from Sanctity Aura then add +631 to each of his Holy Fire spells since it gets +100% from spell damage scaling at 3.5 second cast time. As for Judgement of Wisdom, that's harder to factor in since it's RNG chance to regen mana but his casting uptime would be much higher with it up on a boss.

http://imgur.com/a/C1fix He's the top caster on Ebonroc as well bro with no deaths at all showing. Also, you aren't good at reading comprehension are you...so I will say this AGAIN: He is playing a HORDE Priest so no Sanctity Aura, no Judgement of Wisdom stacking and no Judgement of the Crusader stacking and he's still the top caster DPS. Get it now?

@Fisher - look again: http://imgur.com/a/OxMjj He's number one on Twin Emps because he is able to DPS BOTH BOSSES since the melee boss isn't immune to Holy damage. My guild runs with 3-4 Ret Paladins in our raids for ranks 4,5 and 6 of Judgement of the Crusader and rank 3 of Judgement of Wisdom. I also am swinging Nightfall to boost all caster DPS with a spell damage SoR build so I have the highest uptime of any class/spec using Nightfall since SoR and JoR now trigger weapon/enchant/trinket procs on Elysium. I get at least 1-2 Nightfall procs per trash mob and multiple Nightfall procs on every boss fight.