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The point of all of this is that @tippsarve played a HORDE Discipline Holy DPS Priest. Horde don't have Paladins during Vanilla which means that he was topping DPS meters without any of the following: 1. No Sanctity Aura for +10% Holy Damage. 2. No Judgement of Wisdom stacking for additional chance to regen mana on each spell cast. 3. No Judgement of the Crusader stacking for an additional +631 Holy damage to the target (see below). JUDGEMENT OF THE CRUSADER STACKING Since I was able to prove that multiple ranks of the same Judgement are in fact blizzlike in Vanilla and not bug abuse, we are permitted to put up all 6 ranks of Judgement of the Crusader for a grand total of +631 holy damage (provided that the Rets have PvP gloves which add +20 to JotC). JotC R1 +46 Holy Damage JotC R2 +57 Holy Damage JotC R3 +80 Holy Damage JotC R4 +115 Holy Damage JotC R5 +149 Holy Damage JotC R6 +184 Holy Damage If your guild allows multiple Ret Paladins, then I highly suggest that you stack JotC debuffs and use SoC for max +Holy Dmg to the target. In addition to this, I would recommend that you also recruit Discipline Priests who want to spam Holy Fire and Smite to melt some serious unmitigated and unresistable holy face - and don't forget, the Rets bring Sanctity Aura which add another +10% holy dmg to the Disc Priests' damage as well. FYI for reference: Re: Multiple Judgement of Crusade should not be Bannable by Nano » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:25 am No one has been banned for this and they won't because it's working as intended. This whole thread has run its course. https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=25589&start=30#p182280

BTW, still waiting for @cryofsorrow to comment on how Disc can't DPS... On 1/27/2017 at 2:39 AM, tippsarve said: http://imgur.com/a/C1fix This is from the start of bwl, i would say that smite dps is viable for those who want to use 20-30 runes and major mana pots per raid. At twins you can dps both: http://imgur.com/a/OxMjj

good for you @tippsarve - are you planning on rolling Disc DPS here on Elysium as well? if so, please post your progress as you go!

Good to hear that Disc was working properly on VG because I can tell you from firsthand experience that Retribution was bugged to hell. Holy Resistance should not exist at all except for level resists against higher level mobs (+5 for each level) so a raid boss having +15 Holy Resistance to either Disc or Ret attacks is fine. Even though Holy Resistance isn't a thing, but you still need your spells to land in the first place so Disc still needs to have +hit rating on armor/weapon as much as possible seeing as you don't gain any hit from talents. RealmPlayers is being glitchy today, so how much +Spell Hit did you have from your gear and what was your +Spell Crit % as well? What was the reaction from your guildmates when you told them that you wanted to Holy DPS? :P

keep in mind that this is also only from Horde perspective - meaning no Sanctity Aura or Judgement of the Crusader stacking granted it's from Vanilla Gaming - not the greatest private server out there - but still representative of what Disc can do but yes on Twin Emperors, the melee boss is NOT immune to Holy damage so Disc can DPS both bosses with ease because they do not have to move from one side of the room to the other like all other DPS so thank you @tippsarve for sharing this

it's no longer scaling from AP which is blizzlike - wasn't until Lich King that it gained AP scaling

yes and yes

No Paladin love in this week's patch notes - hopefully next week will see our remaining bugs fixed :)

FYI - Nightfall is currently at its original swing speed of 3.2 making it unsuitable for use with Seal of Command It is updated in a later Vanilla patch to 3.5 However, a Ret Paladin stacking spell damage and using Seal of Righteousness will not do a good amount of DPS but they also have the highest uptime of any class/spec for Nightfall debuff now that SoR is triggering weapon/trinket/enchant procs. My Nightfall "Spell Vulnerability" uptime when using SoR is insane to the point that I am getting at least 1-3 procs on each trash mob and multiple procs on every boss as well.

Nightfall is currently at its original swing speed of 3.2 making it unsuitable for Ret DPS with Seal of Command - it gets updated in a later Vanilla patch to 3.5. However, a Ret Paladin stacking spell damage and using Seal of Righteousness will not do a good amount of DPS but they also have the highest uptime of any class/spec for Nightfall debuff now that SoR is triggering weapon/trinket/enchant procs. My Nightfall "Spell Vulnerability" uptime when using SoR is insane to the point that I am getting at least 1-3 procs on each trash mob and multiple procs on every boss as well.

@killerduki is the best person to talk to about this

correct, even if "certain people" swear and scream that it isn't...

+1 :)

in WSG it works well if you are the flag carrier or you are with the flag carrier supporting them with Blessing of Sacrifice as it forces the Horde team to focus you allowing you to gain reck charges quickly but it is most definitely the lulz in AV with all the NPCs there = so meni reck charges :)

have you ever tried Reck spec though?

totems are ghey

No, no, no and no.

yea i dont know what midoriko is smoking :P

like this? :)

something like this maybe... :)

and every other caster as well :)

most likely not but I have never tested it

why would mobs being undead have anything to do with Disc Priest DPS? And Shadow Priests use 4 debuff spots - SWP - VE - Mind Flay - Shadow Weaving If you aren't using 4 you're doing it wrong... Never mind the fact that all 6 Judgement of the Crusader debuffs = +631 Holy Damage RIGHT NOW

1. Disc Priests have the highest base spell crit from their talents than any other caster and scale with world buffs extraordinarily well. 2. While they do have to get all their +hit from gear, Disc Priests do not have to worry about spell resistance in any way, shape or form other than level resistance against higher level mobs - this can be lowered with spell penetration however (ie: Don Rodrigo's Band when it becomes available). 3. Disc Priests scale extremely well with Retribution Paladins as I mentioned earlier - the more Rets you have, the higher DPS Disc will do. 4. They don't take up any debuff slots to do their damage (one at most if they use Holy Fire) whereas Shadow Priests take up FOUR debuff slots. 5. Holy Fire and Smite only scale at 1.5x crit modifier but Fire Mages are in the same boat.

This is how we support AND boost others' DPS at the same time in a way that no Holy Paladin can do: JUDGEMENT OF THE CRUSADER STACKING Since I was able to prove that multiple ranks of the same Judgement are in fact blizzlike in Vanilla and not bug abuse, we are permitted to put up all 6 ranks of Judgement of the Crusader for a grand total of +631 holy damage (provided that the Rets have PvP gloves which add +20 to JotC). JotC R1 +46 Holy Damage JotC R2 +57 Holy Damage JotC R3 +80 Holy Damage JotC R4 +115 Holy Damage JotC R5 +149 Holy Damage JotC R6 +184 Holy Damage If your guild allows multiple Ret Paladins, then I highly suggest that you stack JotC debuffs and use SoC for max +Holy Dmg to the target. In addition to this, I would recommend that you also recruit Discipline Priests who want to spam Holy Fire and Smite to melt some serious unmitigated and unresistable holy face - and don't forget, the Rets bring Sanctity Aura which add another +10% holy dmg to the Disc Priests' damage as well. FYI for reference: Re: Multiple Judgement of Crusade should not be Bannable by Nano » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:25 am No one has been banned for this and they won't because it's working as intended. This whole thread has run its course. https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=25589&start=30#p182280 TLDR - the more Rets you have the more damage you all do as a whole - including Smite Priests as well who can do stupid amounts of damage as well.