Theloras

cough bullshit cough and you know it - you are now literally lying through your teeth

as you have zero evidence of it being removed

TLDR - I'm not dimishing Cornholi's contribution but to say that he was the only one who found evidence is beyond ignorant and completely destroys any credibility you think you might have when discussing this topic with me or anyone else for that matter... Again, as JCarillo said above, "are you trolling cuz their mad someone actually put effort, or that their jealous of someone trying to hard?"

PS @kingRat - I forgot about this piece of the 126 bitmask shade from Duki: Re: Crestfall - 1x progressive Vanilla server by smilkovpetko » Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:54 pm Pottu wrote:Well that certainly settles the issue. Following this thread - and this thread only - I thought there was a case either way because CF used data from emulator core. That linked image dump proves that it's from client side. Case closed. Pottu , the point is that Characters did negate any form of holy resistance brought by Items and Buffs with "All Resistance" , since from 0.7 Patch removed Holy Resistance from Characters . I brought this evidence on Nostalrius Bugtracker when Elitistjerks was still active and able to use it. Sadly Nostalrius Bugtracker was removed the evidence gone with it and Elitistjerks is also offline for that. There was guy explaining when he use "All Resistance" the API did shown him automatic negate on Holy at the same value as he increased and he was automatically 0 . Here is the guy from 2006 explaining how it work : http://wow.gamepedia.com/Talk:Spell_hit/Archive01 --doogless 14:44, 7 June 2006 (PST) "Unless those were wrong" indeed, considering one completly disagrees with the other, and all three are made agos ago. Since then anything could have changed. The command I was thinking of is based on API_UnitResistance, something like /script A,B,C,D = UnitResistance("player",1); SendChatMessage(" "..C); would show your current HR as a number. My findings on this are odd- without MoTW I have 0 HR which would be expected. With the buff it listests a bonus of +20... and my bases is now -20. SO they actually "cheat" to keep your resistance at 0. Buuut, that is a little off this topic This is what Darkrasp cannot grasp and other folks here. I did not went back to history and rewrite that comment from 2006 . https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=43506&start=360#p317366

you say, "Why should one single debuff behave differently than all other debuffs of that type?" to which I rebuffed, "why should one single magic school behave differently than all other magic school of that type?" cough holy resistance cough and then you spout on about logic and common sense... which is exactly what Duki and I tried FOR MONTHS with the Holy Resistance Usual Suspects... you see where this is going? As JCarillo said above, "are you trolling cuz their mad someone actually put effort, or that their jealous of someone trying to hard?" For the record yes, I had JC on ignore for quite some time but that was a long time ago now - and since then much more evidence has come to light about this mechanic which of course everyone's theories have changed with each passing day from: First - the 2005 blog poster was incorrect and the mechanic never existed in the first place Second - the mechanic did exist but was a bug and removed/nerfed/hotfixed by blizzard prior to patch 1.8 Third - the mechanic did exist on retail, was removed prior to patch 1.8 then reappeared on a ptr server that magically never went live Fourth - the mechanic was only on the 2.0 TBC pre-patch PTR Fifth - the mechanic was only just a visual bug once TBC went live till Blizzard removed it in 2.4 TLDR - people have come up with THEORIES - no one has come up with any EVIDENCE

logic like this... why should one single magic school behave differently than all other magic school of that type? "because the 126 Bitmask Aura covered the Holy School therefore Holy Resistance MUST exist in the game" No one has found a shred of concrete evidence that the multiple ranks of the same judgement mechanic was removed - they only have their own personal beliefs and theories. $hit every single fucking person - every one of you - even denied that the mechanic existed in the first place for christ sake...

if anyone needs to "get a grip" it's you man - seek some type of enjoyment, anything really outside of WoW cause you appear to have some pretty significant social anxiety issues to deal with... and I say that with all sincerity now if you don't mind I would like to get back to my House of Cards Season 5 marathon today...

and who was it yet again who found evidence that the 126 bitmask was bullshit in the first place? Re: Crestfall - 1x progressive Vanilla server by Theoloras » Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:25 am My 2 coppers seeing as I am no coder, but from what I can see with MotW, here is both the tooltip and Resistance effect that comes from the spell: Mark of the Wild Rank 7 445 mana 30 yd range Instant Increases the friendly target's armor by 285, all attributes by 12 and all resistances by 20 for 30 min. Effect #3 (6) Apply Aura #143: Mod Resistance Exclusive (126) Value: 20 http://db.vanillagaming.org/?spell=9885 But according to Duki's source from June 2006 (just before vanilla patch 1.11), Blizzard specifically coded above and beyond on the server compared to what is listed in the client files so as to remove any +Holy Resistance that would come from it. My findings on this are odd- without MoTW I have 0 HR which would be expected. With the buff it listests a bonus of +20... and my bases is now -20. SO they actually "cheat" to keep your resistance at 0. Buuut, that is a little off this topic http://wow.gamepedia.com/Talk:Spell_hit/Archive01 This is even with the almighty 126 Resistance mask number that both Snawfu and Darkrasp go on and on about: Effect gained from Magic Resistance Potion Effect #1 (6) Apply Aura #143: Mod Resistance Exclusive (126) Value: 50 http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=9036 Resistance mask number 126, which means every resistance but physical(armor). Re: Crestfall - 1x progressive Vanilla server by Theoloras » Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:26 am The same argument I made above can be said for Mage Armor as well: Mage Armor Rank 3 490 mana Instant Increases your resistance to all magic by 15 and allows 30% of your mana regeneration to continue while casting. Only one type of Armor spell can be active on the Mage at any time. Lasts 30 min. Effect #1 (6) Apply Aura #22: Mod Resistance (126) Value: 15 http://db.vanillagaming.org/?spell=22783 Should all Mages be able to gain +15 Holy Resistance in a similar fashion to Druids and MOTW? The only difference being that MOTW can be cast on everyone. https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=43506&start=360#p317376

if you honestly think I give two $hits about "Top guilds" or "Min/Max Guilds" or anything of that sort... Clearly you have not been paying attention all this time.

yea and people say im a problem on the forums... @Hudson - wanna give ohnoes a timeout for this?

like Darkrasp or Snawfu and his AMAZING evidence directly from the WoW cd? https://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=43506&sid=c2751bfffc00b70dd6dcd2fcde645302&start=360#p317323 lolololol Common sense indeed... Duki and I were the ones who threw shade on the 126 bitmask aura when everyone else drank the Koolaid. Remember that kid.

again more top keks from the forum trolls/haters you guys make me laugh

for a casual guild that raids only 2 nights a week and has 20+ people who had never stepped foot in AQ40 it is

my guild is 7/9 AQ with not only a Ret but also me as Prot and more than half the guild never set foot inside AQ or at the very least not since 2006

lawl just stop Duki and I tried teaching common sense to the Holy Resistance cartel and look how that went down...

nope nope and oh yea nope

why dont you post your raidstats and show everyone how 1337 you are...

it's not compromised - he's gone

lawl - lemme guess, you thought holy resistance existed too didn't you?

LOLWUT...they even refuted that to begin with yourself included... These are all the theories that people have tried to come up with over the past week to try and refute the evidence for the multiple ranks of the same judgement mechanic (on github, the elysium forums and reddit): First - the 2005 blog poster was incorrect and the mechanic never existed in the first place Second - the mechanic did exist but was a bug and removed/nerfed/hotfixed by blizzard prior to patch 1.8 Third - the mechanic did exist on retail, was removed prior to patch 1.8 then reappeared on a ptr server that magically never went live Fourth - the mechanic was only on the 2.0 TBC pre-patch PTR Fifth - the mechanic was only just a visual bug once TBC went live till Blizzard removed it in 2.4 TLDR - people have come up with THEORIES - no one has come up with any EVIDENCE

nice work guys - way to be awesome human beings yet again here in this thread

dense people are dense - yes, I know Fluffydrake tanks - wanted to see if you were so amazing at figuring it out yourself doesn't negate the fact that he is still #40 for all melee dps on anathema for that fight no matter how hard you try... or Smiter's DPS either for being pure DPS but keep grasping at straws guys

top kek right there good sir!

you're just grasping at straws...rather pathetically I might add - now you're refusing to accept realmplayers.com data but here you go - Fluffydrake came number ONE on his guild's Fankriss kill earlier in April: INSOMNIA vs Fankriss the Unyielding(41591)attempt 2/2 (kill) Fight started 2017-04-30 22:07:34 and fight duration was 169 seconds. Most accurate version was recorded by Lawdy using addon version 1.9.13 Fight was also recorded(possibly less accurately) by Helmand, Alyndria, #1 Fluffydrake 142497(843/s) 8.6% #2 Helmand 108084(640/s) 6.5% #3 Zocora 101407(600/s) 6.1% #4 Diggens 95499(565/s) 5.8% #5 Brainzy 95051(562/s) 5.7% http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverview.aspx?Raid=70366&Fight=7 and no 'SW_Stats Reset occured mid fight thus the data on this page may not be accurate' can't wait for you to try and refute this one...

Here's Fluffydrake doing even higher DPS on Fankris: http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverview.aspx?Raid=71870&Fight=3 http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=Ana&player=Fluffydrake why is all of that important to consider compared to his overall stats? http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/RaidOverview.aspx?Raid=71870 CUZ HE HEALS ON EVERY OTHER BOSS AND WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT DOES TO HIS OVERALL DPS STATS?!?!?!?!?!? Still don't believe me? http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverallOverview.aspx?FightName=Fankriss+the+Unyielding&realm=Ana&ClassLimit=WrIRoIPa Fluffydrake is #40 on the entire server for melee dps on Fankriss (this includes Fury Wars and Rogues)