Bezawit

^ what Maxvla said. This is how Spriests are able to do very long fights like Nef and not do *terribly* on damage. Rank1 getting the same spellpower coefficient for 1/5th the cost is amazing, in terms of effeciency. I would weave rank 1s in on Nef until my potion/rune were back up.

Why wand over rank1? Rank1 MF will do more dps with spellpower and keep Shadow Weaving up until your potion/rune comes off cooldown.

Let me break this down for you barney style. -With a good guild, you will not oom on anything other than Nef so this discussion is pointles. -You can not amass enough Intellect to sustain a long Nef kill so this discussion is pointless. This discussion is pointless.

I never said you can have both wisdom and mana spring. But why are you insisting on running your scenario with the priest being naked and having no raid buffs/debuffs? Lets assume alliance, you literally have: Nightfin Soup Mageblood Potion Improved Wisdom Judgement of Wisdom Arcane Intellect Blasted Lands Intellect MotW Divine Spirit Kings DM Spirit consumable Demonic Rune Major Mana Potion Innervates ZG 50stam/50spi consume ZG heart buff Not to mention all the int/spirit/mp5 from gear. You ARE going to be able to sustain every fight except Nef and maybe Rag. You also have done zero theory on rank 1 mind flay or cutting mind blast from the rotation. If your Nef fight lasts 3-10 minutes, your miniscule intellect choices arent going to be very impactful. You will get what? 2-3 extra casts off vs having more spelldamage for every spell you cast in that 3-10 minute time. Spellpower is going to win out since you are still able to spam rank1 mind flay and use max rank sw:p. Trust me, you saw my 5:25min Nef kill.

Also lets just pretend that intellect is worth slightly more than spellpower (which again, I dont believe is true but lets pretend). What is it going to change? The only two item slots with comparable gear where one has more int and the other has more spellpower are wrists (Sili grind wrists vs. Broodlord wrists) and offhand (AV offhand vs. Nef head quest offhand). It's not like there are gems or reforging and you aren't going to use a wisdom flask for one fight in BWL when lotus is going for 50-200g.

You cant just ignore raid buffs/debuffs. Wisdom, mana spring, mana tide, judgement of wisdom, kings, shadow damage modifiers, mp5 + int + spirit consumables, runes, potions/elixirs etc. Also your healers get to a point where they dont need innervate and you can be fed these, especially if your raid runs a feral druid. All of these are going to impact the amount of time you can sustain your rotation and also increase the value of spellpower (from the shadow modifiers). Dont forget Spriest has more modifiers than any other class between Shadowform (15%), Darkness (10%), Shadow Weaving (15%), Imp. Shadowbolt debuff (20%), CoS (10%) and Nightfall (15%). For what it is worth, I agree that most people undervalue intellect when compared to spelldamage as a Spriest but the ways you are trying to prove it just aren't accurate. Do I think intellect is more valuable than spellpower on a 1:1 basis? No but I think it is very close in certain situations. You seem to think Spriest will always oom in 30 seconds. I promise you, from experience, the only fights I have had mana trouble with are Nef and Rag (before we got our kill time down). MC and BWL fights are quite fast when you are in a good guild and have high dps. I can't speak for AQ since I have not experienced it yet.

You're looking at realm players with him in his pvp gear?? Do you seriously believe he wore full pvp gear on his Nef log!? I cant even..... I'm done lol http://armory.twinstar.cz/character-sheet.xml?r=Kronos&cn=Livmoor

Fight length 3 minutes. Livmoor 672 shadow damage. Fight length 5:25 minutes. Bezawit 471 shadow damage. And I'm not sure why you seem to think kings buffs mp5 by 10% because it definitely does not. Also kings buffs your total amount of intellect by 10%, not just the intellect you gain from gear. Do you also seriously think you can compare two logs and form a conclusion about stat weights? You dont know how often someone had to move, shield themself, who got feared, who is using what consumable, who has what world buff, who is executing their priority list better, who is accidentally clipping mind flay with itself and different fight lengths. You need to sim a few thousand times just to even start getting accurate stat weights.

AND I'm alliance, he is horde. Our intellect is practically the same (5 difference) when I have kings!

Did you really compare my 5:25 minute kill made almost a year ago to a 90 second log from a few months ago and try to convince people Ruk did double my dps because he has 44 more intellect?? Even following your very flawed logic, the 14mp5 you listed me as having over Ruk would have translated into more mana than what 44 intellect provides on a 5:25 minute fight. Not only that but you also claim we both have 500 spell power?? He has 671 shadow damage compared to my 471 shadow damage. What nonsense!

Would it be possible to put an optional tiny timer inside of hot icons on the raid frames? I realize their is a "fade timer" but it would be nice to be able to time a Druid's Swiftmend without relying on a separate addon like DoTimer.