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Roger. So last question...what about the Blue set? They mentioned before about it being updated off the rip on the server, is that still the case or am I missing something? Edit - Just realized I'm retarded since all the PvP gear gets updated in the Naxx patch.

^ Some clarification would be nice. Does this include the Blue sets being upgraded post AQ as well? What about R14 healing mace and spell dmg dagger? They make it sound like it will all be upgraded in 1.9 though.

Lol rip. Is that for the Blue set as well or just epic set & weapons?

Idk, felt like people kept missing that point and were debating it. Upgrade the Weapons 1.6, Gear 1.7. I think 1.8 is too late, just my opinion. We'll see, they should have an answer either today or tomorrow at the latest.

If it's upgraded in 1.7 though, it's really not that long. The vast majority of it is replaced in or by AQ40 except a couple pieces I.E. R12 Hunter Gloves And of course you want your members to be competitive, but that's not the end all be all of it.

...I said I want the gear upgraded in 1.7, which is ZG. The Weapons are already confirmed to be upgraded in 1.6 unless they change that for xyz reason.

Again....catering to the majority of the population was what Blizzard did and look where WoW is now, a shell of it's former self with low Sub numbers (compared to where they used to be) This argument is about the Epic set anyway, not the weapons. Those are already confirmed being updated in 1.6 so idk why you even bring that up. If his context is about DPS rankings in the Guild then he's also delusional - he should be worried about his Guilds progress as a whole, not whether or not he can out DPS someone who put in 100x more time than he did into his character. (Which he will have similar weapons available once AQ40 is released) The differences are not as drastic as these guys are saying they are, Nostalrius knowingly upgraded them early for quite a few reasons, one being that not doing so would kill any competitive PvP on the server.

Don't even bother responding to Taurior anymore. You guys all know he has no idea what he's talking about, stop feeding the troll. He's the same type of guy who QQ'd on Blizzard forums back in the day that everything is too hard, and people that commit more time shouldn't be better than me in-game, etc. and look where retail is now. lol. Fuck this guy, he wants the casuals who raid 4 hours a week in MC/BWL to be in the same league come 1.6/17 (when the weapons are upgraded, and the gear possibly is) as the ~100-150 R14s we'll have on this server, and if Nostalrius is anything to go by, then only ~80 or so will be Rogues & Warriors. It's a small minority anyway, his argument is garbage for that reason alone. Never mind adding in the fact that all of the top DPS Warriors/Rogues on realm players on Nostalrius are not all R14.

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You didn't even refute his first point that the gear is basically the same as T2, with maybe a couple pieces staying BiS after BWL. I'm not even gunna bother saying anything about the second quote because the R14 Weapons are being updated in 1.6 anyway. You only have the upgraded versions for one raid tier when your class mates can get equal Weapons come AQ40. As someone said above this is getting redundant and i'm tired of reading and responding to this thread. The Devs will have made their decision before Saturday so we'll just have to wait and see for now.

Can has RDruid or maybe RShaman so I can stop bumping this thread ty

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I said it depends on your current spell hit, but thinking about it the partial damage from spell crits if it's resisted is probably alone worth taking the 13 spell power hit. Idk what your issue is though, can't have a civil conversation? Relax mayn

Thanks! I try :)

? Gloves & Shoulders stats - Warlock: Mantle of the Blackwing Cabal + Ebony Flame Gloves = 29 Stamina, 28 Intellect, 77 spell power compared to the blue sets 31 Stamina, 17 Intellect, 56 spell power and 1% spell crit so the Blackwing pieces take it here. Mage: Mantle of the Blackwing Cabal + Netherwind Gloves = 32 Intellect, 28 Stamina, 54 spell power, 1% spell crit compared to the blue sets 26 Stamina, 21 Intellect, 56 spell power and 1% spell crit. For Warlocks it's a clear choice when you get these two pieces, for Mages it's much closer but I'd still take the 11 extra intellect over the 2 spell power imo. Other than that, Rogues, Warriors, Druids, Paladins, Shamans and Hunters don't wear any blue pieces. The only other argument would be for Shadow Priest, so but even then the BiS Gloves & Shoulders are the same as Warlock. Not exactly sure about Shadow Priests BiS in that patch tbh but they'd still be using Mish'undare, Mantle of the Blackwing Cabal, i'm assuming Robe of Winter night (already 19 spell power higher than the PvP chest which alone makes the 2pc bonus nearly obsolete), Ebony Flame Gloves, Fel Infused Leggings or Flarecore Leggings and Snowblind Shoes or Maleki's Footwraps. Unless we're talking pure mp5 issues for the Spriest here I don't see an argument really being made against those items and even then you're going to gain ~10 mp5 or so using the 2pc blue set. Edit - Upon further research the argument can be made to use the blue set piece for Mages, Shoulders & Boots. BWL Set - 25 Intellect, 18 Stamina, 56 spell damage with Omnicast Boots, if we're including Snowblind Shoes it's 26 Intellect, 22 Stamina, 66 spell power and 5 mp5. The blue set has 21 Intellect, 29 Stamina, 53 spell power, and 1% spell crit & hit. So you'd take the Mage Shoulders & Boots 2pc thru BWL till 1.7 is released and the boots are replaced by Bloodvine and you used Mantle of the Blackwing Cabal from there. So basically out of all of this one caster uses 2pc blue set other than full BWL BiS.

Thank you.

It's not though cause I've played on Nostalrius PvP and Mantle of the Blackwing Cabal + Ebony Flame Gloves is better than 2 piece blue for Warlocks, Cabal + Netherwind Gloves is about equal for Mages. Bloodvine is Legs/Chest/Boots so idk what you're talking about there. You act like even getting to r10 is hard...it's not, btw.

None of the blue pieces are used in BWL though, they're all replaced by that point for Casters who are the only ones that wear them up until that point due to the 2 piece bonus. What's wrong with blue sets anyway? Bloodvine is Blue and it lasts you for quite some time. You don't even use the epic PvP sets in PvE for casters, it's just the blue set that's used until you pick up the BWL pieces to replace them. Melee use maybe 1-2 pieces each in PvE. Everything they did was for the good of the server as a whole.

Because it's the most fair time to do so, the PvP gear is not game-breaking by any means and only some pieces are slightly better than their PvE counterparts. And no, the time investment is not even close still even at that point.

No, he shouldn't. He raids MC 1.5-2 hours a week while the R14 put in crazy hours every day, week in and week out for months.

But Nost did both and look! The server is just fine, and people who didn't rank still do just fine in PvE! P.S. calling anything past R10 "Handouts" is absurd.

Why are you even bringing the Weapons up in this thread? They're already being upgraded in 1.6, so it doesn't matter. So they use Legs till Titanic and Shoulders till AQ40 gear-wise, that's it. Part of the reason people love Vanilla is the more time & effort you put into the game, the more rewards you reap from it. Why should someone who spends months playing absurd hours to achieve R14 not get something better than anyone who raids BWL 2 hours a week can get? If you don't like that, go back to retail.

Players who don't rank to 14 will still be able to compete in PvE, it's just going to take more effort & skill on their end. 3 PvP items BiS? Which class? Warriors use two max considering Shoulders will be replaced in AQ40.