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Nostalrius already decided that these changes would not impact the game large enough to create any issues come 1.6 for upgraded Weapons and 1.7 for upgraded Gear. They did the research, they did the math. Keep in mind this was a server that strove to be Blizzlike in it's hayday and this is still a change they made cause they realized the good outweighs the bad.

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^ This is the best solution. Rankers will still have use for their R12/13 Gear at this point & it won't be any stronger than currently available PvE Gear.

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The grind is worth it if the gear is upgraded early. If the gear is updated in 1.11 there is no reason to grind past 10/11 if you aren't a Rogue or Warrior

Also, I PM'd him again last night and he said they're still undecided on which patch. Last week it was 100% being updated in 1.11 so we're making some progress I guess

I sent this to Snow in a PM - Hey Snow, Just wanted to send you a message regarding the scaling of PvP gear for the Elysium server. The vast majority of this gear was extremely poorly balanced and had pretty terrible stats for most classes until Patch 1.11 in retail Vanilla. If as a team you decide to go through with your decision to not update these items until 1.11 it's going to effectively ruin serious PvP for the majority of your hardcore player base. The only classes that will bother ranking past 10, or 11 for the Mount, will be Rogue and Warrior as the weapons as still relatively decent for them. These people will have a harder time actually ranking to 14 as well due to the fact that the majority of the player base that is ranking will not need to play nearly as much as they do due to the fact that ranking only starts taking significantly more time past rank 10. Nostalrius did the math behind these changes and came to the conclusion that these upgrades would not effect PvE to the point of it being an issue with current released content - MC, BWL, Ony and ZG. I'm sure you've seen this thread already but here it is incase you haven't - http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4#p1425 The majority of this gear is still replaced for PvE come AQ40, waiting till patch 1.11 to upgrade this gear will make it completely obsolete except for a couple pieces here and there I.E. Rank 12 Hunter Gloves which remain BiS for the entirety of Vanilla. Sorry for the long message but this is something I feel strongly about. I completely get where you're coming from to maintain a 100% Blizzlike experience, but Nostalrius in it's hay day strove to do the same, but did change this part of Vanilla as it's something Blizzard completely dropped the ball on back then (proper stats, etc) and will completely negate all of the hard work these players want to/will put in to attaining these ranks. I will be playing a Warlock on the Fresh Start and was planning to Rank to 13 prior to me learning about this information, and if it stays this way, I won't rank past 10 as it's not worth the time just for the title. I understand that part of Ranking to 14 is for the bragging rights and the title but the other half of it is attaining that BiS gear that will last you until BWL/AQ which is quite a long period of time from server release. Thank you for taking the time to read all of this, Mark He replied with - Hello, The PvP Gear update patch has not been solidified yet. It should be prior to the launch though. Kind regards, Elysium Staff. They haven't announced anything pertaining to it yet so I guess we'll have to wait and see. They really are making a huge mistake if they go through with this though. The original R12/13 gear is barely better than T1, why not let us have that until 1.7 where they upgrade the Gear and we're good to go. Only a few pieces remain BiS in PvE at that point anyway. Edit - that formatting cause of the Copy/Paste. Oh well

Bump for Hybrids

I wouldn't call the PvP gear a short cut into raiding...it takes way longer and more time to Rank to 12/13/14 than it does to obtain pre-raid BiS. Again, at the BWL patch (When the weapons are being upgraded) the R14 Weapons are not -that- much better than CTS, Maladath, etc. Same goes for the Gear that should be updated in 1.7, and actually the gear is less useful in PvE at that point than the weapons are.

Cherry picking certain pieces of gear and the classes least affected by it doesn't make the issue any less apparent. The Weapons aren't being upgraded until BWL anyway just as it was on Nostalrius.

I don't understand how it wouldn't affect the server positively. This gear isn't really used in PvE in BWL, nevermind AQ & Naxx, except for a few select pieces that i've mentioned such as R12 Hunter Gloves which are BiS forever in Vanilla. BWL or ZG Patch is the ideal spot to upgrade the gear as it will be on par with other current gear available.

I'm not going to bother responding to you anymore because A. you have no idea what you're talking about and B. you clearly didn't read my post. The majority of the upgraded PvP Gear is still replaced for PvE in BWL, only a few pieces are still used at that point in PvE.

You realize there will be no point for anyone besides Rogues & Warriors to Rank past 10/11 if they keep it this way right? Blizzard completely dropped the ball on this back in the day and Nostalrius realized that keeping this the way it was would effectively ruin serious PvP for that part of the servers community. So many people will not roll on this server if this ends up being the case. I hope you're trolling but if not, even the upgraded PvP gear is still upgraded by BWL for PvE purposes except for a few pieces. Also, the difference between the upgraded gear and using MC/BWL gear for PvP is not as big as you're making it out to be. Yes it's stronger for PvP but you invested more time into that area of the game, and there's always room for outplay, it isn't game-breaking by any means.

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New Year New Server bump! Opening up one Resto Druid slot as well - would also take a Resto Shaman instead, either is fine

You aren't exaggerating though. I spoke to Snow again and he told me about an hour ago that the PvP gear update timing is still being decided and that it will be ready before launch. There's still hope and we'll know soon

I sent this to Snow in a PM - Hey Snow, Just wanted to send you a message regarding the scaling of PvP gear for the Elysium server. The vast majority of this gear was extremely poorly balanced and had pretty terrible stats for most classes until Patch 1.11 in retail Vanilla. If as a team you decide to go through with your decision to not update these items until 1.11 it's going to effectively ruin serious PvP for the majority of your hardcore player base. The only classes that will bother ranking past 10, or 11 for the Mount, will be Rogue and Warrior as the weapons as still relatively decent for them. These people will have a harder time actually ranking to 14 as well due to the fact that the majority of the player base that is ranking will not need to play nearly as much as they do due to the fact that ranking only starts taking significantly more time past rank 10. Nostalrius did the math behind these changes and came to the conclusion that these upgrades would not effect PvE to the point of it being an issue with current released content - MC, BWL, Ony and ZG. I'm sure you've seen this thread already but here it is incase you haven't - http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4#p1425 A lot of this gear is still replaced for PvE come AQ40, waiting till patch 1.11 to upgrade this gear will make it completely obsolete except for a couple pieces here and there I.E. Rank 12 Hunter Gloves which remain BiS for the entirety of Vanilla. Sorry for the long message but this is something I feel strongly about. I completely get where you're coming from to maintain a 100% Blizzlike experience, but Nostalrius in it's hay day strove to do the same, but did change this part of Vanilla as it's something Blizzard completely dropped the ball on back then (proper stats, etc) and will completely negate all of the hard work these players want to/will put in to attaining these ranks. I will be playing a Warlock on the Fresh Start and was planning to Rank to 13 prior to me learning about this information, and if it stays this way, I won't rank past 10 as it's not worth the time just for the title. I understand that part of Ranking to 14 is for the bragging rights and the title but the other half of it is attaining that BiS gear that will last you until BWL/AQ which is quite a long period of time from server release. Thank you for taking the time to read all of this, Mark He replied with - Hello, The PvP Gear update patch has not been solidified yet. It should be prior to the launch though. Kind regards, Elysium Staff. They haven't announced anything pertaining to it yet so I guess we'll have to wait and see. They really are making a huge mistake if they go through with this though. The original R12/13 gear is barely better than T1, why not let us have that until 1.7 where they upgrade the Gear and we're good to go. Only a few pieces remain BiS in PvE at that point anyway. Edit - that formatting cause of the Copy/Paste. Oh well

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Most of the updated PvP gear is replaced by AQ40 for PvE purposes anyway except a few pieces such as R12 Hunter Gloves etc.

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Bump - wtb Resto Shaman

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