Daramun

Again, I'd like to clarify. I'm not even above level 30 yet. I just made a rogue yesterday and I like to know anything and everything possible about the class as early as possible. I haven't pvp'd yet other than the few world encounters I've been in. But I figured if many people were agreeing with that spec that kiting was a problem rogues faced. From the sounds of your response though, it shouldn't be. I'm aware it just treats sprint as a break if specced into. I wasn't sure if it was worth going, was just trying to gauge opinions. When asking about vanilla rogue pvp a lot of people don't really go into depth like you have so far and I appreciate that very much. In particular the most common response I got was "Just watch a Perplexity video and copy his spec" he never implicitly shows his spec, but, unless I'm blind he doesn't appear to use (and thus have) cold blood, so I thought maybe he was running something like this. I will have to rewatch the fights a few more times though to try and deduce what he may have. It's apparent he has prep though (as should every pvp rogue imo). Thanks for keeping the ideas and reasons coming. I love the help and I'm sure others have the same questions as me so hopefully they can read through this and learn a bit from it as well. ~Senorsneaky

I also found a post early this morning (again no exact link to talent build, just mentions of talents) saying that there is a spec that's better than this one if you simply can't deal with kiting where you would pickup imp sprint. They mention the build is 16/12/23 but again, they don't say where the talents would actually be spent. With what you've said in mind, I feel for a daggers based spec with imp sprint it would look something like this: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fbe0oxZhfM0bZiMe0c0R Is that a pretty viable spec also? I feel like with this heavily of a daggers bould MoD would be the talent that most makes sense to give up points in. You lose out on CB for guaranteed crit and 5% evisc damage, but you gain 30% crit on backstab so overall I would think that's a damage increase + the utility of imp sprint. ~Senorsneaky

I did not specify that because I was not sure what would be better. I assumed the end goal would be daggers, and I read that snagging hemo for the times you can't get behind is better than imp ss/ss without talents even if you have a dagger mh. I just made my best guess off of lines read here or there and being told that the pvp spec is roughly 2x/3/2x. Appreciate all of the advice. Very helpful. My question for you would then be, do I HAVE to wait for gear to go daggers spec? That's a big part of what I've always thought was super cool about rogues. The versatility that daggers offers them. Do I want to ambush this clothie? Do I want to stunlock and then spam out backstabs? etc. Also, was I right in assuming Improved Ambush and Remorseless Attacks simply aren't worth it even if you are daggers spec? Sorry for the delayed response, I posted it and went to bed immediately after. I didn't think it would get such an immediate response. ~Senorsneaky

Hello, using all of my resources I've been able to find that the Rogue pvp spec of choice is either 21/3/27 or 23/3/25. What I'm wondering is where are the points going? None of the videos of people who you get to watch and see know what they are doing actually show the specifics of the spec in it and I have no idea at all what I'm doing when it comes to rogue. NOTE: THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE A GUIDE, RATHER SOMETHING TO PROVOKE DISCUSSION TO GET SPECIFIC ANSWERS OUT THERE I usually am able to figure out just by reading a talent if its worth taking or not. That being said I have a few questions here. Below is what I think is pretty close to what the spec would be, I'm going to use this as a frame of reference for my questions. SPEC:http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#fhe0oezZhZgMe0cGoo I feel my combat and assassination talents are pretty spot on. I don't really have any questions about them (if they are wrong by all means let me know, please just also give me the why). Subtlety is where I have questions as there is so much good shit but not enough points. So below I'm going to break down how I view the talents in Subtlety CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG PLEASE. Below are my assumptions: Mandatory: Camouflage 5/5 Elusiveness 2/2 Improved Sap 3/3 Serrated Blades 3/3 (to get Hemorrhage) Hemorrhage 1/1 Preparation 1/1 Highly useful but not enough points for all: Master of Deception: 5/5 Opportunity: 5/5 Initiative: 3/3 Heightened Senses: 2/2 All of this above stated, those 15 points listed above, we only have enough left to snag 12 of them. This means we need to take 3 points out of them, but I just wasn't sure where. I've always erred on the side of utility and that's why I've elected to take the points out of Opportunity in my link. That all said, I have NEVER played a rogue in vanilla nor have I ever hit one to max level in any expansion, but I am looking to play one now strictly for pvp. As such I may have underestimated how crucial the damage from Opportunity would be. Thanks for taking the time to read this, I hope it provokes thought and response from you. Again, this isn't meant to be a guide, rather something to provoke discussion so that the rest of us rogues have a spot to get our answers specific to talents and WHY we are taking them over others. Please keep the WHY in mind when responding. Thanks in advance! ~Senorsneaky

I know typically enchanting is paired with tailoring, but I don't have a use (to my knowledge) for being a tailor as a feral druid (outside of DE'ing the greens I would make from it). As such I was wondering what profession might best be a 1 trick wonder for making gold alongside enchanting. EDIT: Guess it's worth mentioning that I know Enchanting is a huge gold sink up front and a pain in the ass to level. But for me it was a core part of my vanilla experience. So much of my time spent on solo play was rep grinding to get enchanting recipes or straight up farming low drop rate recipes. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks, Dara