Milarepa

Move this to the stupid cunt section IMO

I am almost positive that AB was released at the same time as BWL.

My bad, Friday rage.

If you're "infuriated" that's your problem. Who gives a вау what other people prefer. I certainly don't give a вау what you prefer. You sound like the Legion people, "I don't like vanilla so you shouldn't like it either."

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Because starting on a fresh, blizz-like, vanilla PVP server is a very rare opportunity. It may be the last great opportunity. The community is at its peak, the Nost core/code is in a very good place, and it is a PVP server. I started on Nost PVP around the ZG patch, got to 60 and did some raiding. It's not the same after BWL is already on farm. I want to play while UBRS is on farm and Ragnaros hasn't been downed.

This is part question and part my own experience. My question to Nost priests is what was it like on Nost PVP? Is it possible to play a priest from MC all the way through Naxx without feeling the need to reroll? Or does it get boring eventually? Do the perks outweigh the fun of a pure dps class? I ask because some recent polls indicate that there will be a shortage of healers on both horde and alliance, not to mention that this usually happens anyway. Thanks. Coming from a release date vanilla hunter who mained a priest around AQ, these are my thoughts on rolling a priest: Leveling: 1) Leveling is a satisfying uphill struggle which really pays off at lvl 40 2) You can get into any dungeon groups, even being 4 levels below the requirement 3) You can help people out, buff and res people while questing, which can be a good feeling 4) It is not easy to die while leveling 5) No buffs or spells that increase speed, which is bad 6) I got into UBRS groups at level 58, the same UBRS that took me an hour to find a group as a 60 hunter At 60: 1) You are very powerful, and basically royalty, people go out of their way to message you to offer dungeon/raid spots 2) You can have great influence over who wins a battleground just by queueing, which has always been true in retail 3) Healing raids is not challenging, which can be a good thing if you want to relax or a bad thing if you need an adrenaline rush 4) Soloing can be difficult, but it isn't common, notably because healers make friends 5) The priest toolkit is incredibly useful, fun, and varied: levitate, mind control, mind soothe, offensive dispel, mana burn, and to a lesser extent shackle undead, mind vision, unique racials. These can't be underestimated: mind soothe DM North speed tribute runs, mind control world pvp when bored, etc. 6) Again, rotation whether healing or dpsing will never be complicated 7) There will be a lot of competition with loot among other priests, paladins, druids, even mage and lock, these classes alone could easily consist of 3/4 the raid

The only way one could hope to trace it is with NSA-level website tracking, since most DDOSes are done through subscriptions to websites. I would actually be down for that. Treat those sites like child porn sites, track everyone. Send them to ваууing jail. Half my PVP experience in Cata through WoD revolved around myself and others getting hit offline during RBGs, setting up different proxies, making new Skype accounts, resetting my IP. Totally toxic and horrible. The only downside would be that groups like Anonymous DDOS ISIS websites or KKK sites. Honestly, the US government should be DDOSing ISIS sites instead of relying on a bunch of kids living in their parents' basements in Texas, but don't get me started.

Thanks, it's great being on a real vanilla server again.

It would just be for aesthetic reasons. When we NA people get home from work and log on it is always pitch black in the game. That was my experience playing on Nost PVP every day. It would be nice to see the sun set at a reasonable time. PST (which is GMT -8) would be great IMO. This gives west coast people normal sunlight, east coast people 3 hours of extra sunlight, and EU people tons of sunlight until around 6:00 AM. I know that the suggestion sounds absurd to EU people, but it really does make a difference. I figure it doesn't hurt to ask since we will already have 2 servers on EU time. Thanks!

I asked a rational question, and the suggested change would not take any effort away from the team. What you said is selfish, because it's all about you, just like it was on the old forums. What I said is not selfish; it takes into account half the player base (if you exclude China), and it is consistent with a blizz-like experience. Decent troll attempt. The WoW sun rises at 17:30 NZ time, which is when people get home from work, I assume. NZ people see even more sun than EU players. In other words, NA players with normal jobs see the least amount of sun on Nost.

Yeah dude, feign death and meld work really well together. I used it to solo tower caps in AV. NE has really high agility in the starting stats too.

I had the same intentions as you, I didn't want to do фекал. In vanilla I played hunter so I rolled one on Nost PVP. I was always MM, but when I respecced BM around lvl 30 it was heaven. Sometimes when I intended to level a pet (they get 3-4 levels behind sometimes, only bad part of BM) I would afk in a certain spot between mob spawn points, put pet in aggressive mode, and level up twice doing absolutely nothing. I don't know about a scorpid though. I would get a needles cougar, I think that has the second fastest attack speed. Ideally Broken Tooth, but that takes forever. It tears фекал up. It's better to get a long-term pet early, because the 2-3 good ones with fast attack speeds are really low in level. I used to put my friend on /follow and just press a macro that made the pet attack. And my dps was really good. We're talking extreme lazy mode. Gear doesn't matter either, you could level up in whites. Or even ganking people or pvping at 60. Shadow meld, send in pet, and sit there doing nothing while the person either kills it or panics. If you want to be real ghetto, put points into aspect of the cheetah talent and don't save up for a mount. Just buy one when the money happens to come. You can play it high, drunk, sick, asleep, whatever. Highly recommended. I'd say do this http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#cV0GdhgRp then this http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#cV0GdxgRpqVohh and get a good cat, and make sure bite and claw are always at the highest rank (might take short research).

I'm rolling lock for the first time too. It's going to be fun, dude. I got one to 10 on Kronos 2 just to see if I'd like it before committing. At 10 I could already juggle 3 mobs at once, and the VW summon quest sold me on the lore/class-RP factor. It'll be awesome. I wanted to roll human but I'm going gnome instead. Similarly, I think orc would be better on horde. Swallowing the shitty appearances seems hard, but I think it would feel worse to roll something not as powerful.

I am thinking maybe start affl then respec at 40 and go full demo/soul link while dumping the rest into affl? I'd start demo but the pre-40 talents are sort of garbage for leveling. I think ravens is on to something with succubus. As alliance his post brings me a good dose of rational fear.

I started saving vacation days in early Oct. when Viper made the announcement. Still not sure how to explain it to boss. "I might take the second week off in January because a 12 year old version of World of Warcraft is coming out. But if the servers are too unstable, I will come into work that week and take the next week off instead. I will let you know the Sunday night before the vacation." Sounds like a winner thing to say.

Others here with more priest experience might be able to respond better, but... When I played priest there were around 9 priests in the raid, 5 pallies, 2 druids. The comp is different now, but similar number of healers. So there is VERY little accountability unless you're assigned to something specific like tank healing and the tank dies, or if you're a dwarf priest and mess up a fear ward rotation. You mostly cast/cancel-cast lower rank healing spells which have a 2-2.5 sec cast, and as others have said there is a lot of heal sniping. Sometimes you use renew, PW shield, prayer of healing, or flash heal. The raid mechanics aren't designed to make healers strategize and think creatively yet, that starts around WotLK. I'm not convinced that this made the game better btw, it is just a different system -- the transition of WoW to an esport. In the old days CTRaid had a feature that showed the health of the lowest HP raid members in the center of the screen, and you just clicked to target them and heal. It was stupid easy. People would fight over it so we were assigned to heal the first, second, third, fourth lowest HP raid members who flashed up. Not sure if it was like that on Nost, but yeah. Very little accountability. It is more about timing, brute force healing numbers, and mana conservation if anything. It's not like MoP where I could hit a haste cap for my Mistweaver's renewing mists, preemptively cast it before massive raid damage, save chi and AOE heal at the perfect time, and have the raid wipe if I fail. It's just whack-a-mole in vanilla.

Welcome. And holy mother of god your family seems cool as hell.

Yeah it's true. It could go to either extreme: truly respecting the original work, or turning it into a cash shop theme park. I think they're equally capable of doing either of these, which is kind of scary, because to even consider the second option is stupid and reckless as hell.

Oh boy. And don't forget the IGN article and PC Gamer article as well. Not to mention the massive mmo-champion thread which I know for a fact has drawn some vanilla enthusiasts out of the closet. I think the sky is turning black, because it might be possible that Blizzard's views will align with reality for once; it MIGHT be possible that they begin to understand the urgency and unrelenting demand for vanilla. Imagine that!

It's not worth even speculating as to why some people hate vanilla, or private vanilla servers, or the idea of Blizzard vanilla servers. It won't be resolved with words: the 1873 page, 2,519,548 views, multiple infractions and bans thread on mmo-champion is proof of that. Some people are straight up obsessive and hostile as вау about it. But actually if we were playing WoW right now we'd probably be just as easily-triggered, because good MMOs give you that adrenaline rush and addictive, left-brained mindset. So we can fix that next week and soon become the same crazed video game addicts. It will be very nice! Then we can go back to nitpicking and raging about insignificant, small-picture things, like hunter demon spawn times!

This poll from the Nost reddit has 2024 votes at the moment and gives a good indication of what people want to roll: http://www.strawpoll.me/11733989/r I thought that this deserves its own topic because committing to a low-demand class in vanilla is pretty painful, and it looks like there are some obvious imbalances already. For example, the interest in rolling healer classes is very low, especially on horde. It seems like the interest in rolling locks is quite high, especially on horde, and I suspect this is because Nost veterans understand the mount grind and want to avoid it. Also, classes such as rogues and hunters which are typically way overpopulated in vanilla seem to be very low, possibly because of bad experiences with this overpopulation on Nost or other vanilla realms, which is resulting in the opposite extreme. Any thoughts or other relevant data to share? ---------------------------------------- Finally, from the Nost PVP census thread. This seems to be the most accurate snapshot I could find, with 10k players online: Sunday 17 January 8:00 pm Server Time : Total : 10 017 Players Online 5037 Horde / 4980 Alliance 50,2% Horde / 49,8% Alliance Total : 2977 Players level 60 Online Level 60 : 1920 Horde / 1895 Alliance 50,3% Horde / 49,7% Alliance Level 60:

Thanks for the info. I think this is the stuff that people want to know. It helped me because I didn't play the other healer classes in vanilla or on Nost. Cool thank you. Yeah that is what I was expecting. Priest is still have a few beers, watch TV, and heal MC in the background. The feeling is totally different in vanilla, people really appreciate healing and ressing. Probably because by Cata or MoP most classes had plenty of self-heals, and the graveyard runs in vanilla are painful as hell.

Same people who 1-2 months from now will be in STV typing "/1 how do u report gankers?? this isn't fair!!" on the fresh PVP server.

Yeah pretty much. The whining culture of WoW is a phenomenon that will never go away. If we go on the Blizzard forums right now half the posts will be whine posts. People have mommy and daddy issues and project them into Blizzard or in this case Nost/Elysium. I want to play on the fresh server too but it never even remotely dawned on me to complain about it on the forums. Reasons: 1) Nost team explained the delay, it makes sense, it is perfectly logical, 2) I'm a grown up who is capable of waiting for something really cool. Imagine being the parents of these kids, "Mommy I want to open Santa's presents NOW! Not 3 weeks from now, RIGHT NOW!"