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Agreed. At this point I just kinda want to keep it going to see what he comes up with next. Haha

You say no one other than cry gave you a formula but we have told you many times you can't compare spell power to int in the situation that you are describing as you will never be in that situation. The stats are not mutually exclusive. We have actually told you multiple times how/why your theory craft isn't correct. But since you refuse to I will repeat what we have said over and over again. Take the avg fight length that you will encounter and a standardized gear set. One that is actually realistic(not what you have been doing) and then do the calculations for the additions of 1 int vs 1 spell power this would be a more accurate reflection of int vs spell power I don't have to do the actual math to call into question the methodology in which you are testing and citing it as proof as it blatantly ignores a number of things

im pretty sure between myself, cry, docholly, and maxvla we even convinced your fan boys or somewhat sympathetic people like undertanker to say you are 100% in the wrong when it comes to realistic theorycrafting on that note i quit seeing as cry's post is pinned hopefully aspiring shadowpriests look at that and not your фекал show

Once again take a gear set and use the avg fight length for a boss with raid buffs and consumes used. Now look at the benefits of adding 1 spellpower vs 1 intellect. That is the proper way to theorycraft stat weights.

So you are going to compare a 1:42 minute fight to a 5:25 minute fight. Which comes down to the rest of the groups dps. The average ilvl for for ruk is 76.2 while the ilvl for bezwit is 68.something. Once again you prove your outlook on theorycrafting to be absolutely retarded. Twice the dps had nothing to do with intellect it had to do with the length of the fight you god damn moron Thank you for proving everyone else's point that you really have no concept of actual theorycrafting

Overall what the general community can get from this thread is that you have no concept of legitimate real in game application of theorycrafting. That is the exact message P.S inb4 the other pally shows up to support his mentor. I would hope even that person realizes what we are trying to explain to duki.

Did Intellect shown better than Spell Damage? Yes it did and that is fact. Does Intellect boost value of Spell Damage? Yes it does and that is fact. In an extreme circumstance cherry picked ideology that will never exist for a person that gears appropriately. Stop talking or actually keep talking tbh because you are providing the same type of entertainment the kardashians do. We all know they are inconsequential and retarded but there are a number of people that can't get enough of em. Your arguement about an actual game mechanic of holy resist has absolutely nothing to do with this topic so for you even to site that you are grasping at straws. Yes you are right about holy resist. But this isnt some bug in a game this is you not applying appropriate parameters to theorycrafting what gearing method a shadowpriest should persue

Never said that they aren't nice things to have my point was simply from a min/max stand point, feral or boomkin dps even with the buffs they provide to the group is only beneficial imo if they put out enough dps to make up the difference that bringing another pure dps would have done. However I do agree with Taladril that i see more use out of the feral being used as an OT to provide these said benefits. Edit: lol boomkin. I can atleast say feral has it's benefits in the right group makeup with a straight face.

You claim that smiter's logs proves duki's point of int>spellpower which is what the discussion is. Look at those logs again and you will notice that a number of the recordings are only showing the group as having 31-33 people. Case in point: http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverview.aspx?Raid=37063&Fight=7 http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverview.aspx?Raid=54018&Fight=3 Some have 40: http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverview.aspx?Raid=37835&Fight=4 Using those logs to say smiter does x with distilled wisdom over spellpower flask is flawed. If you wanted to use those logs to prove duki's point, you would need to actually show that having that 2k mana for max rank consecrate out weighs having the 70 spell power. I don't know enough about spell power interaction and the benefits for a ret pally. But let's also acknowledge that this was a discussion about shadowpriests and not ret paladins so using logs from realmplayers (which provide 0 context about the actual dps done, other than raw overall numbers) for a different class, shouldn't be applied.

Those logs are extremely skewed and prove nothing. How are you really going to say that they prove Duki's point. So far every fight I have looked at you are showing 33 members, 31 members, 32 members. The few that i saw with 40 people just show that the rest of the dps aren't doing very good numbers. That is such a flawed way to theorycraft. Shouldn't be skewing your theorycrafting to account for other players being terrible or undermanning content. But of course I should have expected that the other paladin would come in and attempt to further the idiocy of duki's "theorycrafting"

No one said it doesn't have value. We simply stated that you don't stack int because it isn't a feasible way to gear yourself and you would still prioritize spell power.

I wonder how many paint chips Killerduki ate as a kid

Well that is also debatable. lets say the druid brings 100 dps to his group as a whole with his buffs. If said druid is doing 100+ dps less than what your typical mage, rogue or warrior would do then the buff is effectively null and void. and you would just be better off bringing another pure dps. And yes they have oh фекал things like innervate and brez, but you are making the assumption that someone else ваууed up that caused the need for that.

Actually all your posts have done is prove how seriously flawed your idea of theorycrafting is. It is quite pathetic. The idea of basing your theorycrafting on a naked lvl 60 toon is laughable. If you actually want to theorycraft properly you do it using the stats your typical priest would have for the content. IE if you are doing patchwerk you are not going to bring a character that hasn't done anything in MC, etc. As a side note you fail to acknowledge that any sane person is not going to wear all green +shadow damage gear. It is a bullshit assumption you are making in order to skew the theorycrafting (if you can call it that) to your advantage. The typical gearing progression doesn't work that way. When you actually want to theorycraft properly then maybe you should be allowed to post. Until then I urge the mods to delete this thread of asinine crap that killerduki spews. Since i actually included text this time maybe the mods will see fit to not delete my post because it accurately describes any rational person's thought when they look at the utter idiocy of killerduki's "theorycraft" And on that note....im going to stop comment because it is quite clear that you lack the fundamental knowledge of how to theorycraft and im going to assume the mods don't give a фекал about you putting these half baked theorycraft threads out there to mislead players.

Seriously can you just stop posting or atleast keep yourself to the Paladin forums where your half-baked theorycrafting can sit. It is a horrible horrible misrepresentation of how someone should be looking at gearing their caster. Stop trying to present this as a legitimate outlook on stat values. Are you going to show up in the mage and warlock forums and tell them that Int is their most important stat too?