aristotheron

Yeah it's almost like there is a lot of support for the idea or something

"ONLY OPINIONS I AGREE WITH SHOULD BE ALLOWED" You are a real asset to the community.

but the difference is that I'm saying they actually studied every single person, invading their privacy, and using the information to try to figure out how to manipulate them on a subconscious level

well said

It had little to do with a vocal minority. It has to do with blizzard datamining in-game conversations and activity logs and applying psychological models to the community. They just figured out how to make it as easy as possible for players to gain access to "habit forming" (aka addicting) parts of the game. So they ended up with a soulless pile of фекал.

What I'm saying is that nothing about this situation is at all parallel to retail wow. I have no idea what you're even trying to say.

You might be dealing with a very serious psychosis here. You didn't provide any logic or reasoning. You just laid out a hypothesis about how you predict things will go with no reasoning. Try reading a book once.

It is just amazing how you totally delude yourself about what you're saying and provide no reasoning whatsoever. "so when the fresh server comes out not all of them jump to the new server" So you admit that most people want a fresh server, but you think they should be forced to play with your level 60 even though they'd rather just have a fresh realm. So from your point of view, not only do you deserve your character back, you deserve to have other people forced to entertain you as well. Yeah you're a real asset to the community.

Dude are you serious? Giving everyone an even playing field is not a "hand out"

I know you're illiterate, but I'll just say it again for other people who might be lurking. This is not about what's unfair. It's about what's best for the community. The only people who are making an argument based on what's fair is your side. All you have to say is that "that's just the way it is stop crying ahahaha i get my way and you don't serves you right for liking what i don't like XD" as you should. Seriously it doesn't make any sense. Everyone can already see what nostalrius was. How does reviving the old characters help them see and understand that?

Maybe I'm not making it clear, but the hype is not a bad thing. It's a very, very good thing. There's no reason to look down on any newcomer as being a "hypetrain kid". This is a chance to establish a monolith in the gaming community in general and to effect change in the industry. Do you want to play vanilla wow forever? Or do you want some one to come along some day and make something that is an honest-to-god improvement over it? The only way that is going to happen is if the full potential for support for this kind of gaming is realized. And that means extending a very sincere welcome to the "hypetrain kids" and everyone else who is new. We want a big community in order to have a dynamic, interesting, and fun gaming and social experiences, and that means we need to be welcoming to newcomers. We need to ensure the newcomers have the best possible experience so they stay around and recommend the game to others. By deprioritizing the fresh server, you are deprioritizing newcomers and the stability of the community. You are enforcing that the old players should be superior to the new players forever, which I believe is the entire point for you. New players who are excited to start playing will not have the same opportunities to make their mark on the server. They will have to follow the lead of the already established people and not have the chance to carve their own way through the content. "Old server first" ensures that new players will not be able to compete with old players and that they will not have the same incentives to plant roots into our community. It kills the leveling hype. It creates an unnatural situation where players will be coming back with their same character but totally different guilds. It creates technical challenges of having too much content to provide support for all at once. It's just a bad idea that doesn't make any sense. Do you understand? The community gets weaker by centering it around the past. The community is not just what it was, it is what it will be. With all the publicity surrounding Nostalrius, the old are likely to be in the minority. Why can't you admit that what is better for most is better for all in this case? All you have to do is play the game you supposedly enjoy playing.

People can already see the quality of the product from YouTube. They are already interested in it based on that. They need to experience it for themselves. Having a server that favors the old players doesn't help with that. For reasons I've already mentioned it hinders that by forcing them to compete harder. Sorry but your argument as it stands makes absolutely no sense. For a second there I thought you would make an effort.

Maybe I'm not making it clear, but the hype is not a bad thing. It's a very, very good thing. There's no reason to look down on any newcomer as being a "hypetrain kid". This is a chance to establish a monolith in the gaming community in general and to effect change in the industry. Do you want to play vanilla wow forever? Or do you want some one to come along some day and make something that is an honest-to-god improvement over it? The only way that is going to happen is if the full potential for support for this kind of gaming is realized. And that means extending a very sincere welcome to the "hypetrain kids" and everyone else who is new.

tail between legs bye then

Again, this is not about me getting what I want. I have level 60s on nostalrius. I don't care about them. This is about what is good for the community. Not everyone is like you and only argues to get what they want. Some people care about others and the common experience you share.

And how is that? Or is it just that I have a point and you have no response?

Because apparently all you know is pettiness and greed and you don't care about anyone but yourself and what you want, I have to say this again: We want a big community in order to have a dynamic, interesting, and fun gaming and social experiences, and that means we need to be welcoming to newcomers. We need to ensure the newcomers have the best possible experience so they stay around and recommend the game to others. By deprioritizing the fresh server, you are deprioritizing newcomers and the stability of the community. You are enforcing that the old players should be superior to the new players forever, which I believe is the entire point for you. New players who are excited to start playing will not have the same opportunities to make their mark on the server. They will have to follow the lead of the already established people and not have the chance to carve their own way through the content. "Old server first" ensures that new players will not be able to compete with old players and that they will not have the same incentives to plant roots into our community. It kills the leveling hype. It creates an unnatural situation where players will be coming back with their same character but totally different guilds. It creates technical challenges of having too much content to provide support for all at once. It's just a bad idea that doesn't make any sense. Do you understand? The community gets weaker by centering it around the past. The community is not just what it was, it is what it will be. With all the publicity surrounding Nostalrius, the old are likely to be in the minority. Why can't you admit that what is better for most is better for all in this case? All you have to do is play the game you supposedly enjoy playing.

I'm being quite serious. Do you have any rebuttal or do you just want to pretend like you still have a point even though what you said was refuted absolutely?

You are just repeating your opinion over and over again with no reasoning. If you know what you're talking about, instead of making the same post over and over again, why don't you engage in the conversation and present the argument. Like I said, it's not about what I want. It's about what will foster the best community. I assumed that people cared about the community, but it seems like the most active people only care about getting what they want and fighting with anyone they perceive as a threat to that.

What was really stolen from you? Your purple colored text and pretty icons, or a community of people that would last for years to come and possibly inspire a change in the gaming industry?

So your argument is that everyone should be forced to roll on the old server because if a fresh server was opened at the same time the old one wouldn't have enough to survive? Do you see how this thinking falls exactly into what I already said about the reasoning for the "old server first" side?

You are deeply confused. This isn't the personal battle for everyone that it is for you. This is a discussion about the health of the community. About what should be and why. If you don't want to have that conversation why are you posting here (third time I ask, I guess you just do it compulsively because you have nothing to do at all)

It doesn't make you look good to ridicule people who have something to say where you have nothing to say. This isn't an attack on you. Not everyone is out to get you. This is about having a healthy server and a healthy vanilla community. Just because some one wants something different than you doesn't mean they are attacking you. The only people attacking here are the people on "your side". You aren't addressing the argument. By having a huge amount of people start above them, the hype is killed for newcomers and they don't have a chance to experience everything the game has to offer.

From what I've seen it hasn't. So you have absolutely no answer? You want to just waste your time posting meaningless comments in these threads without addressing anything that the thread is about? This is what you do with your life? Not a surprise you don't understand the value of having a healthy community. You just фекал on anything you don't like and feel entitled to say your opinion and never explain it. You don't care about anyone but yourself. You want to just waste your time posting meaningless comments in these threads without addressing anything that the thread is about? This is what you do with your life? Not a surprise you don't understand the value of having a healthy community. You just фекал on anything you don't like and feel entitled to say your opinion and never explain it. You don't care about anyone but yourself.

You didn't read the whole "shortsighted" thing did you? The community is not just what it was, it is what it is going to be. Time does not stand still.