aristotheron

They were really prepared for it! Daily reminder that the old server is catering to mentally ill freaks who have a sexual attraction to their characters and that these "people" are an absolute cancer on the Vanilla WoW community. Fresh server should have been first. Now the launch is completely ruined just because some worthless dregs whined about losing their virtual dolly / love object.

THE Fuçking RUSSIAN HACKERS that hacked the election for the Donald Trump regime to topple freedom in the United States of America!

I agree, accounts with level 60 characters should have priority in queue...in queue to be deleted to make way for the forced fresh server. So many new players are coming to the server that they are drowning out the crusty old level 60 basement nerds in the login queues. You twisted old aristocrats thought you could force your fancy on the rest of us, but democracy has won in spite of you. The plight of the new server cause is a parable to the plight of the migrants in countries like Germany. They are persecuted because of a few bad examples that the corrupt right-wing media cherry-picks to present to the racist masses. But in spite of you, we are the future, and you are the past. This is freedom and democracy in action.

I'm just laying a trap to show what completely stupid pieces of фекал people like you are. You have such low self esteem and such low intelligence and such a profuse amount of mental illness that you will take any bait and ridicule it in a pathetic attempt to make yourself feel above some one else of course you're too stupid to realize it, and you will deny it up and down, but everyone else can see what happened have fun with your delusions you ваууing crazy anime masturbating retard

ITT: retarded drones get served and then say "everything you say about me you mean about yourself" and then go back to masturbating to anime porn, thinking they are the most intelligent beings in the universe ITT: retarded drones get served and then say "everything you say about me you mean about yourself" and then go back to masturbating to anime porn, thinking they are the most intelligent beings in the universe

yeah you can't pull off a snarky "best of luck to ya" after you've gone all out for multiple posts nice try though, we all know that your total insanity made you absolutely invested in this argument, which you lost

It extremely called for because you are inserting yourself into the community and expecting the rights of a sane, clearly thinking human being, when in fact your brain has been compromised by insanity. You are a deeply troubled young man. Your ability to read and understand a rational argument is seriously deficient. You complain about leveling up. You hate it so much that you don't even want to play if you have to do it again. You literally admit to hating the game. But then you doublethink, you say you love it and it's your favorite. You're crazy. 100% certifiable. You need medication

I am entitled to a fresh game server. I have earned the right. I have waited a long time for this, and it isn't FAIR that some other guys get their way because they are totally insane, deeply mentally ill whining man-infants. I have the right to make threads like this. I have a right to speak out about INJUSTICE and CORRUPTION.

This is literally how insane these creepy freaks are If your time is so valuable why do you waste it on a video game You didn't "work" on anything. You played a game. Apparently you didn't like playing it very much because you're trying to avoid it at all costs and you keep referring to "playing" as "working". So then why are you so wound up about getting to play it again if its all work? You clearly have serious mental issues.

It means you're absolutely ваууing retarded and you need to kill yourself

Blacklists have never effected anything At most there is like one guy that everyone knows as trouble and its overblown BS literally no one is every widely known as being the best on a given server I think you just mistake a small circle of people you have contact with for "everyone"

WoW lore is absolute фекал. It's a slap in the face, an insult to human intelligence. It's just generic recycled garbage. There is no point in exploring the world. There is no gameplay difference based on zone at all. It's the same thing with slightly different decorations and textures. The PvE grind is awful. It's completely repetitive. Utterly mindless. When a bot can level almost as efficiently as a human you know the gameplay is meaningless and absolutely sucks. The game design was based first and foremost on psychological models. It was designed to take advantage of your subconscious to be addicting. Most of the satisfaction that people get is from forcing themselves through a torturous experience, being stressed, and then having that released by the magic whooshing sound effect and bright lights that accompany a level up. After that it's just jerking off to purple colored text and item stats that you've been classically condition to value. BUT WAIT, there is a redeeming factor. Raiding/PvP and team building and strategy. You actually have to apply some human intelligence to be good at these things to a certain extent. But raiding for almost everyone is not about strategizing to use the resources available to accomplish the task at hand. It's about browbeating your guild to grind harder so you outgear encounters following the cookie-cutter strategy that you looked up online. Any actual innovation in strategy is almost always ridiculed as being "wrong". People would rather wipe endlessly following the Official Strategy than try anything new. Same goes for speccing and gearing: there is no tolerance for anything than the Best Official Way to Do Things, even though there are actually lots of more stable and reliable strategies available. PvP isn't fundamentally bad but its still a grind. Anyway, this game is mostly a pile of фекал infested with TOTALLY and COMPLETELY insane fractions of human beings. But it is one of the best opportunities for a team-building strategy game there has ever been. But like I said, that potential is sabotaged by real-life failures with the most massive raging inferiority complexes known to man. This is the state of things, like it or not.

There has been a lot of publicity about the Vanilla WoW community since Nostalrius decided to shut down. This means there are a LOT more potential newcomers to the scene with the re-launch of the most successful vanilla gaming platform to date. Who can say how many? The community could double in size, or the newcomers could only be enough to replace the people who lost interest with the demise of Nostalrius. Either way there are two guarantees: 1) The hardcore crowd will return no matter what (even if their old characters are not preserved) 2) The community can only be sustained by new people coming in (the same old crowd can't sustain the true experience for more than a few months, if at all, as we have seen time and time again, with every single Vanilla server as an example) We want a big community in order to have a dynamic, interesting, and fun gaming and social experiences, and that means we need to be welcoming to newcomers. We need to ensure the newcomers have the best possible experience so they stay around and recommend the game to others. By deprioritizing the fresh server, you are deprioritizing newcomers and the stability of the community. You are enforcing that the old players should be superior to the new players forever, which I believe is the entire point for you. New players who are excited to start playing will not have the same opportunities to make their mark on the server. They will have to follow the lead of the already established people and not have the chance to carve their own way through the content. "Old server first" ensures that new players will not be able to compete with old players and that they will not have the same incentives to plant roots into our community. It kills the leveling hype. It creates an unnatural situation where players will be coming back with their same character but totally different guilds. It creates technical challenges of having too much content to provide support for all at once. It's just a bad idea that doesn't make any sense. The "old server first" side pretends that they want to keep the community strong by encouraging people to come back by not forcing them to level up again. But the fact that the fresh start server is delayed by months betrays their real purpose: they just want to feel superior to all the new people that are going to come as a result of the Vanilla's new publicity, at the expense of the long-term health of the community. The community will be strong to start with no matter what. It ought to be kept strong for as long as possible and provide the best experience for everyone. The Vanilla WoW gaming community has ever been plagued by one problem: the selfishness and shortsightedness of its leaders who administrate the servers. In the end all they care about is what they want and what their small group of friends wants and the community will always suffer. With them, the Vanilla experience isn't for fun, it's for a sick nostalgia that gives them false validation for their life failures. It exists to be their "safe space" where they have status that they failed to achieve in real life. I hope Elysium will break the mold.

Man the total illiteracy on this board is amazing. Also the delusion and total lack of critical thought. Please, stay on Nostalrius aka The Ghost Server

The point of this thread is that the "old server first" people are in great proportion toxic waste that should be contained in their own server.

Yeah that's what everyone wants. They just want to get the loot and have no progression experience. That's what the game is all about, getting the best purple text to bolster your self esteem while you look down on people with less gear.

literally no one is reasoning. They are just repeating the same tired lines because they are honestly threatened by anyone who says anything different than what they believe. "OMG ITS SUCH A WASTE OF TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS LOL JUST STAHP" If it's a waste of time for me to talk about it then isn't it an exponentially greater waste of time for you to talk about me talking about it? Seriously you people are totally insane.

Yes, whenever you get cornered in the argument you revert to "it's going to happen anyway, thinking about it is pointless". The point is not what is or is not going to happen, the point is what should happen and why. It's about exploring the situation and understanding whatunderlies it. I know this hard for non-thinkers to grasp. You don't see the point in doing anything except going with the flow and attacking anyone who differs solely because you have an insane tribal-instinct attachment to your opinions. But believe it or not, change happens, and it happens despite people like you

It makes absolutely no sense. Can you read? Why do you assume people are going to wait for fresh servers? Most newcomers won't even know the difference until weeks of playing. Of course everyone, even the "fresh first" crowd are going to roll on the first server available or revive their nost characters even though they plan to reroll when the fresh server releases. No matter what the same number of people are going to go on whatever server is opened up (except PvE because everyone knows PvE is trash). There's no reason they wouldn't. Your entire argument depends on you providing some reason why they would be deterred from joining the "old realm". But yeah, anyone who takes the time to explain why you are wrong is a TROLL. How convenient for you that you are not accountable for anything you say and are therefore always right.

what exactly is wrong with prot/ret, according to the stats/theorycrafting?

That makes no sense. People are going to be flooding the server anyway. The same people are going to be interested no matter what. The same amount of people are going to try to go to whatever server happens to be up first. If the team isn't ready for the amount of demand for vanilla wow, it's going to go the same way no matter what. Just to recap, your entire argument is that more people are interested in fresh servers and that we can't have a fresh server to start with because there is so much interest that the servers would do nothing but crash. That is NOTHING to do with the point of view of the people arguing against fresh servers here. Nothing. In fact it's the opposite of what most of them have expressed. And it doesn't make any sense to begin with. Why do you assume people are going to wait for fresh servers? Most newcomers won't even know the difference until weeks of playing. Of course everyone, even the "fresh first" crowd are going to roll on the first server available or revive their nost characters even though they plan to reroll when the fresh server releases. I see why you wouldn't actually say anything before. You have no idea what you're talking about, you just want to bemoan the stupidity of the people who disagree with what you want for yourself regardless of any reason. But on the other hand, at least you tried to provide at least some reasoning. Better than most did.

TL;DR you actually hate the game and only use it to support your self esteem by having better gear than most people

Toxic neckbeards for whom leveling to 60 on nostalrius is probably the proudest achievement in life. "Anything I don't want to believe is TROLLING" "I literally don't have the ability to read anything I disagree with" You're really doomed souls. Pointlessly repeating your undeveloped statement of opinion again and again is the only way you know how to communicate. You have no real friends so you engage in this tribalism surrounding whatever issue is at hand. You never actually reason through anything. It's just black and white for you: what you want and what you don't want. The result of having all your needs met with no effort required from you. Spoiled children. If anyone points out any of this to you its "NO THATS NOT ME THAT'S YOU XD" Anyway the kind of people who support the "old server first" in this thread should give you some clue as to the veracity of my analysis of the motivation for the argument. They are permanently entrenched in a deep inferiority complex and think they are entitled to certain things without thinking about anyone else.

so much delusion. there has literally been one attempt to make a reasonable argument and it was instantly dismantled. The truth is simple: releasing the old realm first is intimidating to new players and hurts the growth of the community, and hurts everyone's gameplay experience in the long run.

Congratulations you've been bumping my point of view in the forum and have contributed absolutely nothing to the conversation irony much?