TheRealJindo

Recruitment update: 1 day ago we got SERVER FIRST Ragnaros in our collaboration with DEMISE and Vigor. Thanks to both guilds for being awesome partners in MC. After Onyxia is cleared we will start preparation for speedrunning and world PVP objectives. If you have missed your shot to join for Molten Core, there are still spots available for almost every class. We are closing recruitment on mages for now, though. In the spirit of these coming objectives, we will raise the level cap to 58 today and to 60 tomorrow. Jindo, Officer of Praise.

Recruitment update: The level cap for current recruits has been raised to 55. Preparations for MC are on-going so apply now before it's too late! Keep tuned for more updates regarding Praise! Jindo, Officer of Praise.

I hope you guys took a nice long sleep while the server was down! We are still accepting applications which meet the above-mentioned requirements! Keep them coming!

Recruitment update: The level cap for current recruits has been raised to 51. Preparations for MC are starting soon so apply now before it's too late! Keep tuned for more updates regarding Praise! Jindo, Officer of Praise.

Recruitment update: The level cap for current recruits has been raised to 47. Preparations for MC are starting soon so apply now before it's too late! Keep tuned for more updates regarding Praise! Jindo, Officer of Praise.

Recruitment update: The level cap for current recruits is remaining 44 for now. Keep tuned for more updates regarding Praise! Keep the applications coming! Jindo, Officer of Praise.

Recruitment update: The level cap for current recruits has been raised to 44. Keep tuned for more updates regarding Praise! Jindo, Officer of Praise.

Recruitment update: The level cap for current recruits will stay 41 as an added incentive to remain on Elysium Fresh! Join up now! The cap will increase more steadily after the launch of the new server as the queue should go down a lot! Jindo, Officer of Praise.

Recruitment update: Current recruits will have to be at least level 41 to join Praise. The cap should increase more steadily when the server becomes more stable again. Ainy, your application is under review. Jindo, Officer of Praise.

Recruitment update: Current recruits will have to be at least level 37 to join Praise. The cap should increase more steadily when the server becomes more stable again. Jindo, Officer of Praise.

Recruitment update: Current recruits will have to be at least level 32 to join Praise. The cap should increase more steadily when the server becomes more stable again. Jindo, Officer of Praise.

Recruitment update: Current recruits will have to be at least level 28 to join Praise. Remember to join our Discord when you apply, so we can respond to your application. Thanks Zonati for the kind words! Jindo, Officer of Praise.

Recruitment update: Current recruits will have to be at least level 25 to join Praise. Jindo, Officer of Praise.

Recruitment update: Current recruits will have to be at least level 20 to join Praise. Cases below level 20 will, generally, not be taken into consideration. Players that would like to join and are not level 20 yet can do so once they become level 20 (unless the level cap has been raised by then), or do so once MC is cleared. Jindo, Officer of Praise.

Join our discord as indicated on the google form for the process to continue

If it is about meme-ing your way to the top, then there's no point in mentioning anyone but Grizzly is there?

Release coming closer! Join on up and be part of a hardcore community!

1 day 8 hours to release HYPE!

get r14 prepare for Naxx progression with a little edge, get r11 mount

R14 battle mace, something which you should also argue for if you want the gear in ZG.

PVP gear = better dps/healing in raids = easier PVE content. Especially considering how easy nost content already is.

post hoc ergo propter hoc. Just because something happened sequently doesn't mean it happened causally. If you read back the previous pages you would see that weapons were also discussed, so there you go. There's also a good reason why PVP and PVE gear was changed in TBC so it wouldn't have as much of an effect on each other. Also, being competitive is good for a guild's health. I agree with you, difference isn't drastic if you look at the numbers, but if you look at the length the gear pieces stay good then it becomes a big difference.

It's ironic you claim that Taurior is posting that things were too hard on blizzard forums, while you want r14 weapons upgraded with make PVE content easier (at least that's what you're arguing for, you may be playing devil's advocate). It may be a small minority in casual guilds, but in hardcore guilds you can expect a shitton of r14 melees, something I would think you would know as GM of a (apparent) hardcore guild. Again, it could be that you are arguing for the server as a whole, but that's not the context he's talking about so you're shifting the argument in that case (using a strawman). Your last point, that not all top warriors/rogues there are r14 is correct. But if you remove r14 weapons from the R14s that are up there and claim their DPS doesn't change (which is effectively what some people here have been arguing like retards), then you must be delusional. Again, this might not be what you're claiming, but the side defending this point is clearly doing so. Now, I am all for adding R12/13 upped gear because doing only weapons is a half-measure which makes no sense, and also my guild will have lots of high rankers and therefore I like to profit from this change. But as a decent human being (which I am not, I am self-interested here), I would have chosen for both to be upped at Naxx (because the MAJORITY of the server won't be able to get r14).

Wetpine, you're a casual retard. Go watch damage meters of NOPE or any other high end guild. Stop wasting people's time on this topic and actually get a clue.

Release date nearing!