Antipatra

You sound like a real winner. Maybe we can be friends? :^)

Maybe you're right, maybe they don't have to give me any evidence. Of course, I'm not going to stop, and I'm still going to assume this GM is abusing his position. This information will be passed around and it will become an even bigger problem for them. How about you just fuck off then? He is married, by the way, and has an annoying kid already that yells and cries all the time in Steam chat. It's actually pretty irritating, but whatever. That's what he gets for knocking her up.

This is a very simple question that can quite possibly solve this entire ordeal right here and now. Is that UI addon against the rules? If not, there needs to be more clarification on this issue that will undoubtedly require GM intervention.

That's great. Then they can easily show me what it was that made them think he was cheating. The thing is, there is no proof here. Not yet. Just the word of someone who couldn't even form proper sentences or spell check.

Here is some new information I just received from my friend. I asked him if he was safespotting; "What I did was primarily be at blacksmith or stables. I would drop a freeze trap, the area of effect slow, on the flag, put my boar pet right on the flag on stay, then I would shadow meld at max range 36m (with talents). People would trigger the trap, and I would lay waste and "stutter shot", with that addon that shows a visual timer so I can stop for a split second to auto shot while running. The thing I think is most interesting is the stutter shooting method. That's probably what they thought, like how can I be running and also shooting. I would stop just long enough, like half a second, when auto attack is ready to fire. That's primarily it, but with max range I could just avoid danger. I still got killed a lot on zergs. Mage slow, warrior hamstring and rogue poison still got me, but with concussion shot (talented for stun), I could avoid a lot." So, herein lies the question; is this UI addon that he was using the reason why he was banned? Is that one against the rules?

To be honest, I wasn't even being serious with the application process. At the time, they looked like they needed all the help they could get, with random gold sellers and what have you infesting the server. Yeah, I wasn't expecting to get picked as a GM, I just figured I would be brutally honest with the application process. Being an asshole really doesn't have any affect on doing my job if it all it entails is receiving gold spammer tells and banning the person responsible, which is what I figured I would do if I was a GM. It's also not like I can't control my tendencies. I do have a switch. I work in IT and deal with calls from annoying people all the time.

Here is an example of unconditional trust in someone who is just like you but got chosen to have special rights. Basically, a stranger that you will believe above all other people for no good reason whatsoever. Commendable in your naivety.

lol, another person with no friends he would be willing to do anything for. I pity you, I really do. It sucks not having that kind of unconditional trust between friends. Perhaps you'll get a nice laugh if a GM comes here and sets this straight. I'll even laugh with you.

Oh yeah? What's that application then on Join the Team forum? Oh, they're volunteers and not actually "hired"? Well that changes everything!... Not. You know, I applied to be a GM about when the server launched. My strengths; integrity. My weaknesses; I can be an asshole sometimes. I didn't get a reply back. Strange enough, unflinching morals and a strong sense of right and wrong apparently comes second to whether or not you can put on a nice face (on the internet, where everyone is anonymous, of all places). At least I'm honest about it. But hey, I'm not bitter about it or anything. I've actually been spending most of my time on Uthgard, a DAoC classic server that launched a day before this server. It's a tough choice, really, because I enjoy both games quite a bit. Having been hired to GM here wouldn't have worked, probably.

I understand this, and I'm not in a rush. I haven't made any changes to the appeal since last night. Just keeping this thread active. And the "easy"/"hard" thing was a general statement... if the proof is easy to produce, then it shouldn't be a hard thing to set this straight - not that the actual process is difficult or anything. That's all I meant.

Yeah, that's great. The people in charge can ban whoever they want and that's that. Injustice is justice? You know, if this was my project, my server, I would be pretty pissed if someone I hired to do a job was totally screwing it up to gain a personal advantage or dispose of someone that made him mad.

What is this I hear about 3, or so, GM's quitting and leaving? What is the story behind that? I find that odd.

My understanding is that no one but the person that posted in the appeal forum, and the GM's, can see the threads.

Also want to say that no one is actually being hurt here... yet. I haven't said who this GM is, so his good name is not being ran through the mud for, what may be, no reason at all. He will remain anonymous until this situation is resolved. Part of me hopes he is telling the truth, because that would open up this server, and the people that run it, to some serious scrutiny. If this server, and the devs, want to be taken seriously, then things like this simply cannot happen.

It took the GM in question 1 day to reply to the post. He has not responded to my replies. And yes, even if most of those are me just looking at the thread again, it couldn't have been more than 30 times that I did this. Even 80-90% still means someone else is looking at this thread multiple times. I also asked that another GM be involved. If this was the GM that banned him, and he was supposedly in the BG playing against my friend (which is what my friend said the GM told him), then he is biased and someone else should be looking at whatever he gathered. Unless, of course, it is something simple (which, again, doesn't make much sense why he would have to watch someone for a long time). And if it was something simple like safespotting, why wouldn't he immediately be warned about it by this GM? Did he just watch and let him do this for an unknown amount of time? How would that even work? Not that you would actually know the answer, but I'm not the one that was banned and forum accounts are not linked to game accounts. They can look at the thread I made on the appeal forum, but can't/don't reply because they weren't involved? That's pretty stupid. A random guy "hired" to police a private server has no one keeping him in check if he should somehow make a mistake or take advantage of his power? lol. What kind of amateur shitshow are they running here if there are no checks and balances/redundancy to make sure the people they have working for them are doing their job correctly? I'm simply not leaving or letting this go until I get confirmation from someone other than this GM, and evidence is produced, that proves my friend was cheating. And if that is the case, feel free to laugh and troll all you want, because yes, I was deceived by someone I am putting a lot of faith in.

I did. 60 views on my appeal post and no reply yet.

Maledaar or Maladaar. 29 Night Elf Hunter.

Then it should be a simple thing to just say that and show me a picture. I can believe that he might have done this without knowing it. It's probably the only thing I can think of that he might have done that could be considered cheating, because he's not the type of person that memorizes the entire Rules and Regulations post, or even looks at it in the first place. But I also don't see why this GM needed to "watch him for sometime" to ban him for this. This is exactly the type of thing I mentioned earlier; he could have easily made this decision after a couple minutes. Not even minutes, freakin' seconds. Especially if this GM was playing in the BG and saw him do it.

And to make it perfectly clear; I'm only posting this thread to make others aware of the situation. I already have the discussion in the appeal forum. It's a pretty simple thing, really. If I get the evidence I want, I drop it. If I don't, which I'm inclined to believe is very likely considering the GM's response, then everyone will know about it. And I mean everyone.

What is your problem? Why would I trust a stranger over my friend? Why do you have such a hard time believing that the GM's here aren't infallible? Do you not have friends that are willing to go out on a limb for you? Is that it? Jealousy? I'm defending him because I believe he is innocent. I'm a grown up. I make my own decisions. He doesn't want to waste his time. I am willing to do it for him. That's the end of it. You sound like a jackass with no friends, tbqh. You sound like someone willing to be spoonfed lies as long as it doesn't affect you. You're the real hero here.

I'm taking screenshots of this thread and the GM conversation too, btw, just in case it "mysteriously disappears".

If I don't get what I asked for - evidence, chat logs and confirmation that my friend did what this GM said he did - then someone is likely covering this up and abusing his position, and I'm going to post this conversation, and the GM conversation, everywhere I can; Reddit, Kotaku, or any other gaming website that has covered this server. It will be public then, so I don't see any reason to "shove this under the rug" because you have a minor concern about legitimately banned people possibly taking advantage of the situation. Why should anyone want to play on this server if you can run into a GM on a bad day and get your account closed? Is anyone really that hard up for a classic WoW server? Is anyone willing to waste their time like that? The prospect gives all private servers a bad name and reputation. If you can't properly run this with trustworthy people, then what's the point? People have donated money here. How would you feel if you donated $1000 dollars, was playing an "unknown alt", and got banned because you pissed off the wrong person?

This is a good time to ask what exactly the process is when you get reports of cheating, or investigate someone. Do you take screenshots of these interactions and log them? Is there some sort of ticket system that holds all the evidence of these accusations? Cheat detection? Chat logs? Or is the word of some random person that "watched someone" enough evidence to ban someone from the game indefinitely? What exactly do you have to watch someone do for "quite some time" that can't instead immediately be determined after a few minutes?

You know, you sound like someone who has zero trust in anyone. He is my friend. I have known him for 13 years. I asked him straight up to tell me if he was just covering his ass, maybe he didn't want to look like a piece of shit for cheating, and that I wouldn't think any less of him if he was actually doing what the GM said he was doing. He still told me he wasn't cheating, and I'm inclined to believe my friend. That's what friends do. I just received a response to this on the private forum. I know who the GM was that banned him. We are discussing this now, but he has not given me any evidence of wrongdoing, has said nothing about what cheat it was exactly that my friend was using, and has appeared to lie about the conversation that was had on GM Island. He said my friend admitted to it - my friend is saying that didn't happen. Who admits to cheating anyway? There are likely hundreds of posts on this forum of people coming here covering their ass and saying they weren't doing what they were doing. Why exactly would someone just come out and say that, for example; "Yes, I am a gold seller, please unban me?". That is ridiculous. Right now there is no evidence to back up this accusation, just the word of someone that isn't even paid to do his job, probably doesn't know anyone who develops this private server personally, and for all intents and purposes, is just a regular dude who applied on this site using the application to be a GM. I would also like to point out that my friend doesn't even give a shit. I'm holding the torch for him and pushing to find out why. He is pissed enough that he would rather just abandon any prospect of playing here again if this is the type of thing that is going to happen. He could create a new account if he wanted to keep playing, but he isn't. This is, word for word, what the GM told me, copy and pasted directly from his post; "I was watching your friend for quite some time. We have enough evidence and proof that he was indeed cheating that he was banned. He also admitted this to us while speaking with us on GM island." This is what my friend texted me; "My chat began with them asking if I knew why I was there, I assumed bad language, they proceeded to accuse me of hacking, and then I got banned".

Yes, the other guy linked that, but he said he was unable to even login in the forum to post there. Not sure what the problem is, unless he was banned from both the forum and the game at the same time... He never posts on the forum, so I don't see why he would be banned from that too unless the two are linked.