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I agree with almost everything you're saying other than one small area. The reason people are hoping for upgrades is because Nostalrius did so, they set a bit of a precident for it which the vanilla playerbase seems to largely preffer than waiting until Naxx and as such have come to expect it. Furthermore, at least t2 does get updated while it's still relevant (just). I suppose alot of the concern around this topic is that without an alternative timeline the rewards don't even come close to being worth the effort required to attain them which makes it drastically different to updated dungeon blues.

Problem here @Phoosy is that they already changed respec costs

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I feel like multi queue would fix alot of problems

Nice to see a week has passed and this is still being ignored by the staff. I've lost 5 regular players in my premades this week because "it's not worth ranking" Much fewer people play for these rewards. Only warriors and rogues have any real pve benefit from ranking now due to this change. Had this discussion with whoever ran elysium before the server launch and initially it was stated that the server would update pvp gear at AQ. Still not perfect but a compromise. I'm sure people would settle for that.

I disagree, so do a lot of people. Life's too short to try and explain it though. I've done too much procrastinating on this thread :P

People premade because it's the most efficient method of grinding honour. If you prioritise premade vs premade games then you remove the incentive to premade, but this thread isn't for people to whine about facing premades. Again, if you don't like facing premades, make your own and win. This thread is for people to make Elysium aware that we're not satisfied with waiting until Naxx for updated pvp gear because by that point it will be worthless.

People do pvp because they enjoy it, but equally, removing any incentive to rank will diminish pvp activity for those who enjoy it. This change only discourages people from participating in pvp. As to premade dodging, there's already a pre vs pre priority in the queue, try playing horde - every game is premade vs premade. I can't remember the last time I faced a Pug.

Wrong again Ape, Critcap is 100% - 8% dodge - 27% miss chance - 40% glancing chance + player hit chance. If you can actually manage to subtract 3 numbers from 100, you'll notice that's 25% not 30%. You're wrong, now please just fuck off. I won't be replying to any more of your bollocks because you clearly have 0 idea how this game works and I'm not wasting my time on you. Pvp gear being upgraded in line with pve gear progression is a valid concern, and if you can't see that you shouldn't even be attempting to contribute to this thread.

Either way, you asked me "what's better before AQ" R12 and Malfurions is better, that's not wrong. Now move on, I want this thread to go back to what it's meant to be about.

the 2% crit is not relevant considering it's negated by worldbuffs and critcap. Anyone in good gear will be close to critcap with just consumables never mind songflower/ony buff The "if you're a tryhard" argument makes no sense, because if you were a tryhard you'd have the r12 legs making this discussion absolutely poinltess. Equally, with the correct gear you still end up with ridiculous amounts of crit with worldbuffs and consumables due to the lack of hit in the game right now.

Even without r12, you can use cloudkeeper and malfurion's have 120AP with 1% overall crit.

Unupgraded r12 legs (16 str+2crit+1hit) and Malfurions (40 str chest) Total: 112AP 2% crit 1% hit. Crit is basically wasted considering you'll be over critcap with wbuffs and consumables anyway so you're better off going for pure str/ap/hit How's that for substance, Ape.

I was referring to the blue updated 2set, it's not bis for warriors. Either way, Faves is completely right, this is an important issue.Regardless of me bickering with an imbecile, it's something that needs looking into instead of being ignored by the staff, particularly when the previous people running the server already stated clearly that it would be released 2 weeks into AQ40 (not great but a fair compromise). Elysium have already deleted the thread confirming this though :/

What server was this on? Because it wasn't Elysium. I've played in the top guilds on Elysium since launch, and if you think that blue 2set is bis then I'm sorry but you actually don't know what you're talking about. Settle down kid, you got good rng on one bossfight and think that's relevant? It's not.