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As far as I know, the teleporter for AQ40 doesn't come until 1.11. I'd like to request that devs add it in now with 1.10. A lot of guilds are working on downing C'thun and it would be such a QOL improvement to have that available. Wiping on him and then spending 15 minutes running back is just so frustrating. Hardcore players / purists might disagree with this sentiment but I know I'm not alone in wanting it to be added before 1.11.

The good guilds are basically only running Garr/Baron at this point. The mid tier guilds you're right though. However, I know at least one of the top tier guilds no one wanted the last eye that dropped and if another drops it'll go to waste also. I've been doing what you suggested but it's hit or miss. Probably just going to have to start running my own.

My guild has stopped raiding MC while we progress through AQ. We stopped a couple of weeks ago, literally right after I finally got my Sulfuron Hammer crafted. I don't want to start pugging MC in the hopes that the pug is even able to down rag and that I"m able to get the eye. I know there are a handful of guilds who don't care about the Eye. Send me an in game mail or message me on here if you're interested and we can discuss a price.

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We've already waited several months for AQ, I'd rather wait a few more hours or even a few more days and get to participate in the gate opening event. I missed out on it back in original vanilla and don't plan on missing it again. I'd prefer not to have to wake up at 3 in the morning to participate. Let the 10~ people who put in all that work with their guilds to go ahead and get their mounts without having to wait and then have the event occur when the highest number of people will get to experience it.

They were. Lots of trolls in discord. Just ignore them.

He knows that. His point is that R12/13 gear isn't on 1.9, it's on 1.11 (or 1.12, not sure). They decided to put it in that state because of the work it takes to get it and that's the state that Nost had it in and they decided it wouldn't be right to take it away from the people who worked that hard to get it under the assumption of it being items with certain stats. Thunderfury should be treated the same. It's an incredible feat to get it, Nost had it in the 1.12 state on purpose because the pre 1.9 state is too broken and the 1.9-1.11 state is too nerfed for the kind of item it is. Thunderfury should be treated like the R12/13 gear.

Looks like you're right. http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=703 (not sure if it's kosher to post a link from Nostalrius forums on here but it has all the detail I"m looking for) So you were right about the outrage on Elysium (or at least mine) matching that of the original retail outrage as mentioned here: "Feb 2, 2006 – Extremely useful post – 30% Proc to 15% and Nerf Outrage Confirmation from Community Q1. ” still had a 30% proc rate (compared to it's 15% now). Pg1 Q2. “thunderfury is now pretty useless.. Or maybe the 20+ page thread of people complaining about it and how it's now a former shell of what it used to be is wrong and you're the only person who knows right? Why don't you go correct the hundreds of people on the WoW forums who have done the math, posted there recap logs to back it up, and know for a fact that TF is now gimp.” Pg1 Q3. “the tripple nerfing it got was too far though and ruined the weapon. Just changing it to not proc off procs would have been enough to make it still worthy of the orange name.” pg2 Source(https://forums.multiplay.com/world-warcraft/38577-power-thunder-fury)" So this is even a bigger issue than just the MH / OH issue. Sounds like with the proc nerf, even if it was usable in the OH it still would he significantly worse than it was previously. I assume that means that tanks with it are seeing a noticeable decrease in their dps and threat generation. It will be interesting to see if tanks end up switching to something else. So Thunderfury is currently in its "sitting in players' bank because of nerf" state.

Afaik Thunderury wasn't touched in 1.9. That's why I was surprised when Elyisum changed it on Anathema with the release of 1.9. They might have nerfed the proc rate but TF was MH all the way through vanilla until 1.12

At the time the only tanks we had in MC other than our MT were Alts so it didn't make sense to give it to one of them. I don't understand your argument though. TF is BiS OH for rogues. So a rogue having TF in OH is the best way for him to play the game... Regardless none of this changes my argument. If I was trying to arguing that a government changing speeding ticket prices to an exorbitant amount was unfair and should be reverted and you just told me "well you shouldn't have gotten a speeding ticket, then you wouldn't be in this situation" is not a legitimate argument if I'm arguing that the change is unfair. Your comment is dismissive. Either way, keep on giving me your opinion about how we were stupid to get our Guild Master his BiS weapon. All I'm interested in is a response from Elysium Staff.

Our MT already has one, in it's 1.12 state it's BiS OH for rogues until possibly Naxx swords, and he's our GM so we were happy to give it to him. If you aren't going to add anything constructive to the conversation why bother commenting? This is a legitimate concern to bring up and it's dismissive comments like yours that derail the conversation into a troll fest. Just stop.

Why? Even if you wanted to argue that this is proper itemization you'd be wrong. Naxx is released with patch 1.11 and Thunderfury changes in 1.12 so it wouldn't even be updated until AFTER Naxx. So basically by the time the server has done progressing, so essentially it will NEVER be updated because once Naxx is released there isn't much of a point in releasing 1.12 which has basically no new content, just QOL updates that are already in the game on Anathema. By that time you have the Naxx swords available which probably make TF obsolete anyway. This is an item that is similar to the R12/R13 gear where a lot of work went into the people getting it based on the assumption that it was going to remain in its post buff state. Nost had no plans of changing it and Elysium kept it in it's same state for 3 months. I understand people reported it as a bug but it was a conscious decision to have it itemized at 1.12 Our Rogue GM waited a year to get his second binding. Got it 2 weeks ago, had one BWL raid with it where he was top DPS by a significant margin (using it in his offhand) and then 4 days later it was nerfed. He just tried using it in his MH last night and it wasn't as good as CTS/Maladath. So now our guild has a Thunderfury that's going to sit in a bank because Elysium decided to downgrade an item from a state that it had been in the entire duration of Nost and the entire duration of Anathema up until this past Sunday. For reference this was his DPS on Vael last week (Atredes) http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverview.aspx?Raid=62911&Fight=1 And this was this week http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverview.aspx?Raid=63891&Fight=1 Went from 1252 DPS to 983 because of the change. That's a 21% decrease. If I was him I'd be furious. It's not even my item and I'm livid. @Cogfather Can we please get a formal response on this?

@ShennaWhat about Thunderfury? The Nost devs made a conscious decision to make Thunderfury in its 1.12 buffed state just like the R12/R13 gear and that was how it was through all of Nost and for the first 3 months of Anathema. As of Sunday it was reverted to being MH only and 15% proc rate (from 25%) I know several rogues who put work into getting it who now no longer can utilize it optimally because of the mainhand requirement. This is another item where decisions were made based on the stats of the item that were expected not to change. I hope you'll consider this to be in the same vein as the R12/R13 gear and revert it back to how it's always been on Nost/Anathema. Thanks for everything by the way. I know y'all don't hear that enough.

If we're talking about min/maxing then TF is BiS OH so we made the right decision there if we we're trying to optimize DPS considering out MT already had one but that's besides the point. I'm just saying that it was randomly changed yesterday. 1.9 isn't when it started being MH. If it had been MH all along like it should have been then our rogue wouldn't have gone for it. 1.9 seems like an odd time to change it. I understand it's now how it should be but figured it wouldn't hurt to ask.