Jellydonut

Wow, nice retort man. "Piss-off because your argument is flawed for reason X." Retort: "No you piss-off!" Some prime debate skills right there.

Your forum avatar is strangely appropriate - only a monkey would say something this stupid. During the month of March, Zeth's average population has dropped by HALF (from 2k to 1k) and it CONTINUES TO DROP. Also, piss-off with your "blizzlike" bullshit. This isn't Blizzard, these aren't retail servers. Having a server with 6k pop isn't "blizzlike", so should Elysium be split into 2 servers?

Better this than force us all onto Elysium, imho.

You are both blind and stupid. Look at the graph for Elysium. Now look at the graph for Zeth'kur. Notice any differences? For the entire month of March Elysium has had an average pop of about 6k. Compare with Zeth, where over the same timeframe average pop has dropped from 2k to 1k (that's HALF the population), with peaks going from 3k to not even 2k, AND IT CONTINUES TO DROP. And stop feeding us this [insert given situation] is "blizzlike" crap. This isn't Blizzard, the servers aren't retail - it's irrelevant. What's relevant is the dynamics within this community. Clearly there are problems with the population on certain realms that need to be addressed.

You sir, are an imbecile. The server is rapidly approaching a low-end population of 500, and the only time it's in the "playable" range of ~2k is EU prime time, which is probably 10% of total time. If YOU want to do nothing but raid with your mega-guild, then population is irrelevant to you. So piss-off with your assertions about what's good for everyone else based on your own selfish and limited interests.

This. Do something please.

It's time to do something. Most of prime-time for US the server is barely reaching 1k with lows under 800. Personally I think allowing transfers from Elysium would be best, but at this point any action would probably be better than nothing.

I never said I wanted the servers to "equalize" (i.e., be equivalent). I suggested LIMITED transfers to help "balance out" the populations. Sorry if it didn't come across clearly but basically what I meant was BECOME LESS UNEQUAL. Numbers are relative. 1 out of 1 is everything, but 1 out of 1,000,000 is almost nothing. Let's say 1,000 players transfer. That would move Elysium from 5k to 4k on the bottom end and from 6.5k to 5.5k on the top end. Meanwhile, Zeth would go from sub 1k to 2k in the bottom and 2.2 or 2.5k to 3.5k on the top. Now, would going from 5-6.5k to 4-5.5k really have a substantial impact on Elysium? Of course not, and anyone who says otherwise is just being protectionist or doesn't have a clue. On the flip side, going from 1-2.5k to 2-3.5k would have a huge impact on Zeth. You're basically talking about doubling the population. And has been repeated ad nauseum, if everybody on Elysium likes it there, then nobody will transfer. NO HARM DONE. THEN MERGE IF NECESSARY. If everything is so lovely on Elysium, then why care if transfers are opened up? What have you got to lose?

Transfers = OPTION. Merger = NO OPTION. Maybe everybody on Elysium loves their big realm. If that's the case, then nobody transfers. Again, no harm done, and a merge later is still possible. But if you merge first, then everyone is forced to deal with the result, whether they like it or not. Are you so daft as to not see the simple logic here? It's like being told you have 2 choices, A and B. If you choose A, then you can still do B later. But if you do B, then A is gone forever.

As of this posting, Elysium has 5k online and Zeth less than 800. Let that sink in for a moment. 5000 COMPARED TO 800. Clearly Zeth needs some additional population, and clearly it wouldn't hurt Elysium one bit to lose some. Conversely, doing a merger would be a HORRIBLE idea. If you add the max pops from both realms (~6500 Elysium and ~2500 Zeth) you'd end up with a 9k+ megaserver. Honestly, who the hell wants that? Admins, please do the right thing and let those people who WANT to get off Elysium because they think it's too crowded come to Zeth so that both servers can remain viable. If you don't, then you're only going to lose more players in the long-run.

Both of the above arguments are flawed in that they look at the situation from the limited perspective of ONE player (the poster) and make assumptions about what other people want and/or do. Now, TRY to look at the situation broadly. Let's say transfers are opened and ~1000 accounts go from Elysium to Zeth. Is losing that 1k players going to make a huge impact on the rest that stay on Elysium? No. But it does benefit the 1k people who get to choose what THEY want and move to a less crowded realm. Likewise, everybody on Zeth benefits from the bump in population. Or maybe, maybe, transfers are opened and nobody or very few people exercise that option. Guess what? No harm done. The servers can still be merged at some point if admin decides that needs to happen. It's always best to exercise the option that leaves you with more future options than the one that leaves you with less.

"Off peak hours" for whom? When exactly? These servers are essentially international, so "off peak" for one place is going to be "peak" for another. Would you be happy about having a population of 800 during your "peak" time? Of course not. The general point is that the populations on Zeth'kur and Elysium are getting extreme in opposite respects. There are basically three options - 1) do nothing (which, in my opinion, will eventually lead to the disappearance of Zeth in one fashion or another), 2) merge the servers (which would result in an even worse overcrowding problem than exists on Elysium now), or 3) allow transfers to balance things out a bit and alleviate the problems of both servers. I challenge anyone to argue that no. 3 isn't the most reasonable and best option.

I assume you're referring to the screenshot by a prior poster? That was on a SATURDAY AT 10 PM. *Derp* yea the population is going to be high then. You can't take one moment in time and treat it as representative of all times. AGAIN, check the status any weekday when it's evening in the US and you'll see the pop at ~1k. I'm not going to do the monkey work for you. This post is intended for the admins anyway and they know better than anyone what the poplulation and trends are.

Ok. Check realm status any weekday between 8 pm and 12 am US EST to PST and tell me what you see. I already said it maxes at about 2k (weekdays) during peak European hours, but that happens to be the middle of the day for most of the US. Anybody with a finger and half a brain can see the obvious by checking realm status at various times.

Zeth currently MAXES at about 2k, and this is ONLY during peak European hours. Weekday evenings in US time zones it's barely at 1k. That's not "enough population". And, keep in mind this is roughly 50/50 split horde/alliance, so we're talking 500 players per faction. On Darrowshire, the split is more like 65/35, so even though it's total pop is only slightly higher, on alliance side at least the net effect is much greater (horde pop on Darrowshire, not surprisingly, continues to drop). You can continue to live in la- la land if you like, but unless something is done soon the trend will continue to the point that keeping Zeth running will no longer be viable, and then whoever is left is going to get crammed into Elysium. Most of the people who went to Zeth did so in order to avoid exactly that kind of circumstance.