Swiftdeus

Still would be worthwhile to implement this 5-8 weeks from the first week of ZG when people hit Exalted and everyone goes back to Raid Logging... hopefully they don't miss out on this opportunity. It would just be really sad to see this server have no PvP relevance for the entirety of its lifetime.

14000 Views 385 Replies and several completely dodged questions when it comes to PVP Updates in the suggestion forum alone.... Why can't the Staff have a dialog with their players? It doesn't take that many brain cells to know this is a good idea, what will it take to convince you guys? What are your concerns? Think of the benefits! Seriously...

Common Elysium, don't miss this opportunity! Make it 8 Weeks after ZG Release even when no one cares about the content anymore.

@TheGrand I was about to ask the same thing! Are there patch notes ready to be released on this patch? ZG Bijou Farm Nerf? PVP Gear Update?

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Marks lasted 30 days on retail, that is Blizzlike. Elysium reduced the duration mail would stay in you mailbox (Non-Blizzlike / GOOD CHANGE), but it was bugged so marks would still stay in you mail for 30 days (So Blizzlike). Now Elysium has fixed their bug and marks only stay a short period in the mailbox as designed (Non-Blizzlike / GOOD CHANGE). The argument is, if we can stray away from Blizzlike with bosses, talents, farming spots, mailbox, why do we have to keep the gear HORRIBLE? And I mean really horrible for anyone time investment for pvp; you can get full pre-bis in a week in dungeons... but after a month of PvP you have nothing to show for it. The gear is worse in most cases than the dungeon gear you can aquire so quickly. The updated gear can be on par with MC gear, more or less, but it completely time gated so people can't just pick up 5 friends play for an hour and get gear. I don't see the reasoning of the Elysium Staff to not make this change when it has so many positive things associated with it, honestly I don't see any negatives because a perfectly Blizzlike is non-realistic, make this change so people actually PvP on your server, not the account sellers.

@donkey Just saw patch notes about expired mail... no more "Mark Bombing". That's a non blizzlike change that is good for the community, pretty much aligns with this change to make PvP gear again.

This is by far the most requested change on this server. Just arrange the suggestion forum by replies and its the 5 of the top 10 things listed! Listen to your player base. Do not miss out on this opportunity!

@Quasexort, I never said people wouldn't do MC when AQ is out. " that is like saying no one is going to raid Molten Core because Naxxramas is coming out", essentially was saying that there will always be better gear that will be released next patch, that doesn't mean you don't collect the best gear available to you right now. Yes, obviously Molten Core is going no where. When you say "I don’t see how you can compare going for rank 13 when AQ is out to doing MC when AQ is out.", I believe the forum topic is to upgrade the blue gear (although I do admit it would be kind of awkward if the blue gear was better than the epic gear). I agree that PvP may die down as of the AQ release, but that wont stop people from getting their alts into BGs for Gear and Mounts, especially the raid loggers. I think by saying "You guys believe the only way to make pvp alive and active is to give gear incentives but those incentives don’t really matter when AQ comes out so in your eyes pvp dies with AQ regardless of whether or not they update the gear.", you have skipped the entire argument. It is like saying you wont do dungeons when AQ is out. That may or may not be the case. As for your comment on decreasing the respec cost, I don't know that I necessarily disagree. It could make pvp more viable for some, it wouldn't inflate the economy that much, it would really make Elysium shy away from blizzlike... but it already has so... I'd be okay with a test period on this. @Quasexort, You are absolutely right, we don't know if adding PvP gear will make the PvP scene better on Elysium. When it was implemented on Nostralius early it increased the amount of people PvPing substantially and people agreed it was a good change. That aside, if not now when? Between 1.6-1.9 Is the only reasonable time to make this change, otherwise Elysium misses out on this opportunity.

@quasexort Your argument stating "How would upgrading pvp gear now have any impact on pvp being alive or dead when AQ comes out." followed by "...no one is going to rank for the armor if they can do AQ and get t2.5 way easier...", that is like saying no one is going to raid Molten Core because Naxxramas is coming out. You are absolutely on the money though when you said no one will rank when AQ is out, that is the "Dead" PvP reality. The argument people are making is to give the upgraded PvP gear while it is semi competitive, otherwise it will always be junk. The type of people on this server for the most part are Min/Maxers, some willing to go further than others. The situation Jerome is talking about is this: You start on a Fresh server and you need to get Pre-BiS ready, Molten Core comes out and you have to get BWL Ready, BWL comes out and you have to get AQ Ready, ZG comes out to fill in those niche gear pieces you want for AQ .... now wait 6-8 months with no reason to log in (other than to raid log), AQ comes out got to get ready for Naxx, Then Naxx and PVP gear updates(which are MC quality mostly). People don't want MC loot level gear when they are raiding Naxx. Jerome is arguing people will get what they need out of ZG quickly and then go back to raid logging during that 6-8 month content drought, but PVP being time gated (meaning you can only get so far in a week), would get more people who Min/Max involved in PvP over those months. Also, having that PvP available during 1.7 would make the Dragons of Nightmare patch (1.8) so much more exciting because people would be ready for battle! The skills people gain from actively doing battlegrounds is good for the community! I personally think they want to go into PvP now, regardless of updated gear, but the PVP culture right now is extremely hostile. Only by incentivizing PvP with reasonable gear will there be enough players simultaneously joining into battlegrounds to cause a PvP boom in our community.

@Haestingas I feel like you're fighting both sides of the argument. "Oh they are totally invested in increasing pvp activity. But it's increasing PvP by the masses, not the premade community." "Jerome you are such a cancer player, NO REASON TO PVP BECAUSE MAH ITEMS?" I just would have though you would have been be happy with a little of both worlds. Force people into the 3 man groups while giving them gear to play for. Do you think destroying premades alone would be enough to encourage pvp? I understand the thought process behind the respec cut, but breaking premades only forces them to queue differently, it doesn't bring in a flood of people. Again, there is a 6 Month (At least) content drought after ZG is released, a time where this PvP gear is for the most part on par with other gear. Would this not be the best time into incentivize it? Adding another avenue for people to gear up before AQ comes out is such a good way to keep people invested in Elysium, you want to give people as many avenues to gear up as possible so they don't feel like joining the server so late is TOO late. I think overall we're on the same page, what can we do to increase PvP activity? I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this Haestingas.

I support anything that promotes increased PVP, but I think this argument is not as strong as the upgrade blue gear gear, as beautiful as those Warsong leggings are. The whole point of the Upgrade Blue Set argument is that you're not getting anything outrageously BiS; Instead you motivate the people who would like to PvP, but don't see a point in actively doing BGs because the currently PvP rewards are shit. The upgraded PvP gear is generally on par gear with what has currently been released, or at least the same as current dungeon blues. It gives you ways to itemize, but you're going to wear BWL gear if you can get it. The Warsong leggings are better or on par with AQ gear so that kind of breaks the argument they should be released before then, not that I don't agree they are awesome for warriors. The argument that you make for Time VS Reward is completely valid, hopefully the administration show the community that their servers are not just for raid logging.

I'd like to see a real discussion between the community and the administration about this. The support for this is overwhelming!

@haestingas How would you make PvP Great again? How can you motivate new players or players who have never pvped before to increase their skill set in ways they have ever experienced? I'm asking honestly. I enjoy Vanilla PvP so much I want everyone to do it... but Vanilla is all about Min/Maxing and I think this is honestly a great solution, it worked out amazing on Nost. I would hate for people to miss out on a great vanilla experience by just raid logging for months on end.

@Slacker, People have already analyzed the gear differences: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s9CLO31HDTjs2qPAn2FILB1dulLm1kup3G5Ih-Wrorg/edit The benefits are marginal at best. Please understand the correlation between something worth playing for and something that is not. Playing for gear that isn't shit, but isn't best, may be a good investment for some. Playing 1000 hours for no benefit is dumb.... hence why the PvP community is the way it is.