Controversy in the Bug Tracker

[Daishi001 8]

So I decided to post this here in the general discussion instead of burying it in the bug tracker. There is a big issue with people who don't understand this game and then go on arguing on the basis of sciolisms and non-contextualized information and quotes.

 

I'm talking specifically about this issue https://elysium-project.org/forum/index.php?app=tracker&showissue=2859, which was apprently brought up 5! years ago in this report https://elysium-project.org/forum/index.php?app=tracker&showissue=196.

Apparently this issue has not been tackled for 5 years - because someone does not understand the information he himself is quoting. The last comment in this thread claims that "While Blessing of Light claims to add "up to" a certain amount to specific healing spells, in practice it actually adds the full amount to those spells. That is to say, it does not behave like +heal gear (which uses similar language), which adds an amount that depends on the casting time of the spell.". Now when you read the next sentence of this quoted paragraph, from the same source, you can see it clarifying that "If you compare Blessing of Light (Rank 3) with +heal gear, it's the equivalent of +268.3 for Flash of Light, and +560 for Holy Light.".

 

As I don't speak Russian, I have to take Bovine854's word for it that the consensus reached in this discussion was that it is indeed correct that a rank 1 Holy Light heals for 450 with a Rank 3 Blessing of Light active, and was thus never changed. Anyone who has a basic understanding of this game can tell immediately that that is a preposterous claim.

 

If we take the source (historic versions of wowwiki.com articles) as the truth, as is commonly accepted within private server circles, Blessing of Light Rank 3 is supposed to be equivalent to +560 healing for Holy Light. With +560 healing a Rank 1 Holy Light heals for approximately 150 health. A Rank 1 Holy Light with Blessing of Light Rank 3 active however, on this server, heals for 450. That's equivalent to +1680 healing. Not +560. That's off by a factor of 3. 

 

Can someone please explain thoroughly what is going on here?

[фткyн 1469]

Its dont work like bh, its straight bonus.

[kowey 1]

 

Can someone please explain thoroughly what is going on here?

 

The problem is you do not understand Russian.

The post you linked actually was about different issue, in short, TS reported about:

1)Бонус хил получаем не от наложенного на цель блиса, а от наложенного на себя.

You get extra healing if you buff yourself but not the target (what means paladins were getting permanent extra bonus to their abilities when a buff were aplied to themselves)

 

2. Стакаются одинаковые Greater Blessing of Light от разных паладинов. При этом бонус хил от них соответственно стакается тоже.

You can have more than one Greater Blessing of Lights from different paladins on the target, subsequently extra healing bonus summarizes in one from every buff.

 

two last replies have nothing to do with the original issue that has "fixed" status.

 

new issue https://elysium-project.org/forum/index.php?app=tracker&showissue=2859 isn't an issue at all, this spell adds up to 400 extra healing not up to 400 bonus healing. works as intended

Edited August 14, 2016 by kowey

[Kadir 136]

Those bubble-hearting, pink-nicked, sulf-waving paladins in chicken suit... ;d

[Daishi001 8]

Its dont work like bh, its straight bonus.

 

Have you read what I just posted?

Read the entire quote from the source everyone is referring to. It states how much bonus Healing the spell is equivalent to - 560 for Holy Light. But on this realm is scales up to 1600+ bonus healing when using low ranking spells. You can't just take half of whatever you're quoting so it fits your narrative.

 

Blessing of Light grants flat bonuses, but it still should be affected by the level 20 penalty - because every spell in this game is affected by the level 20 penalty. The calculation goes as follows: Level 20 Penalty Multiplier = 1 - ((20 - sLvl) * 0.0375). sLvl hereby refers to the character level at which the spell can be learned.

This is undeniably true, and everyone in this thread claiming that it isn't should just read up on it in one of the near infinite number of sources on the internet.

 

The problem is you do not understand Russian.

The post you linked actually was about different issue, in short, TS reported about:

 

 

As I have stated in my post yes. Good job catching that!

Then I don't understand why the post was linked on the new issue in the bug tracker. Are there many trolls spamming irrelevant Russian information on non-related things to confuse the majority of the community?

Edited August 14, 2016 by Daishi001

[kowey 1]

As I have stated in my post yes. Good job catching that!

Then I don't understand why the post was linked on the new issue in the bug tracker. Are there many trolls spamming irrelevant Russian information on non-related things to confuse the majority of the community?

I don't understand it either, especially when they said that Valkyrie and Elysium have different cores, and problems that was fixed years ago on Valkyrie might take place again on Elysium.

 

Regarding your original question, before claiming to have known how something should work try to find relevant information that can confirm your words. 

in Vanilla WoW that spell had no penalty or maybe it had to be penalized but it didn't work and only was fixed in TBC.

 Patch 2.3.0 (2007-11-13):  [Blessing of Light]: Lower ranks of Flash of Light and  [Holy Light] are now properly penalized when used with this Blessing.

Edited August 14, 2016 by kowey

[Daishi001 8]

I don't understand it either, especially when they said that Valkyrie and Elysium have different cores, and problems that was fixed years ago on Valkyrie might take place again on Elysium.

 

Regarding your original question, before claiming to have known how something should work try to find relevant information that can confirm your words. 

in Vanilla WoW that spell had no penalty or maybe it had to be penalized but it didn't work and only was fixed in TBC.

 Patch 2.3.0 (2007-11-13):  [blessing of Light]: Lower ranks of Flash of Light and  [Holy Light] are now properly penalized when used with this Blessing.

 

That refers to general spell power penalization added in 2.0.1. Spells in Vanilla had no Rank penalization beyond the Level 20 Penalty. They should have had, but it didn't until TBC. Blessing of Light was bugged in that regard, and still granted no lower-rank penalties until 2.3.0, but this is unrelated to the presence of level 20 penalties.

The spell still was affected by level 20 penalties - which is why they are talking about "lower ranks" - not ranks below the level 20 threshold.

Holy Light in Vanilla should grant you the full bonus once you pass that threshold - meaning starting with Rank 4.

I agree that it is still very strong, hence why the +healing penalty was added in TBC.

Edited August 14, 2016 by Daishi001

[Unstop 88]

That refers to general spell power penalization added in 2.0.1. Spells in Vanilla had no Rank penalization beyond the Level 20 Penalty. They should have had, but it didn't until TBC. Blessing of Light was bugged in that regard, and still granted no lower-rank penalties until 2.3.0, but this is unrelated to the presence of level 20 penalties.

The spell still was affected by level 20 penalties - which is why they are talking about "lower ranks" - not ranks below the level 20 threshold.

Holy Light in Vanilla should grant you the full bonus once you pass that threshold - meaning starting with Rank 4.

I agree that it is still very strong, hence why the +healing penalty was added in TBC.

 

We are working on spell coefficient for spells below level 20

[basic Coefficient] * [Downranking Penalty] * [sub Level 20 Penalty] = [Effective Coefficient]

http://wow.allakhazam.com/wiki/spell_coefficient_(wow)

[Daishi001 8]

 

We are working on spell coefficient for spells below level 20

[basic Coefficient] * [Downranking Penalty] * [sub Level 20 Penalty] = [Effective Coefficient]

http://wow.allakhazam.com/wiki/spell_coefficient_(wow)

 

I just tested it on the PTR, and it seems to be fixed perfectly! Thank you, great work!