Why using Scorch in PvP on frost/hybride spec ?

[ZaWarudo 0]

i saw the Verdun 3 pvp video from the old nost https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU5qI3w_IRA

 

And i noticed one thing : the use of Scorch in pvp by verdun and by other mages.

 

i understand using it if you choose the fire spec , but those mages were using it with deep frost or hybrid specs ( http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#obhVrobZZVVGuRbtho or http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#oZVgMzfZVVGhobtho )

 

So why did they cast scorch instead of a frostbolt which is more efficient with Frostbite , Ice shards and Shatter ?

[yada 1]

1.5 sec cast. Does acceptable damage as elemental. Don't think i'd personally look to it very often without fire talents though.

[ZaWarudo 0]

1.5 sec cast. Does acceptable damage as elemental. Don't think i'd personally look to it very often without fire talents though.

 

Some of them use it without being elemental , and even the elemental specced ones stack it but don't use fireball or pyroblast , and i don't know if it worth it for a fire blast.

[yada 1]

Some of them use it without being elemental...

 

I'd imagine it's because of the 1.5s cast. Maybe they have enough time to cast scorch but not enough for a bolt. In which case they cast scorch or they cast nothing. Other than that i'm not entirely sure. Maybe they wish to maintain higher mobility but also chip away at the HP, which a 1.5s cast kinda allows you to do more so than a 2.5s cast. 

 

I think scorch is a decent spell to use as elemental spec whether or not you take advantage of the debuff or not or have it talented or not. Scorch can seem lacklustre against a healer mind as well as warriors with high HP, but on the flip side the debuff can be taken advantage of against those targets.

[Dexev 3]

It's because of the short cast time.

The mage toolkit in pvp is a lot of instant cast abilities and Scorch can fill a missing global nicely. Frostbolt can often mean delaying your next instant which could be worse overall.

This is assuming you have the extra second to stand still in the first place, which often you shouldn't. Mage pvp is a lot of mobility. You are kiting melee, dead zoning hunters, avoiding what you can from casters, staying in range of targets to use your small radius instants, moving away from or towards targets you have or need to cc..

If you're specced into some fire even better. Impact is often more beneficial than another freeze, especially vs casters.

Then there's the case that it's risk free damage. Getting interrupted on frost is BAD. Fire not so much. Mage pvp is fast paced, often you don't wanna worry about fake casting frostbolts. Scorch and if they interrupt it can be good for you - set up a proper shatter without worrying or polymorph away. If they don't interrupt it's easy extra damage. It's just faster game play and pretty win-win for the mage.

TLDR - it's faster. One second is an eternity in mage pvp.

Edited December 27, 2016 by Dexev

[ecouch 0]

В 12/26/2016 в 08:01, ZaWarudo сказал:

i saw the Verdun 3 pvp video from the old nost https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU5qI3w_IRA

 

And i noticed one thing : the use of Scorch in pvp by verdun and by other mages.

 

i understand using it if you choose the fire spec , but those mages were using it with deep frost or hybrid specs ( http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#obhVrobZZVVGuRbtho or http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#oZVgMzfZVVGhobtho )

 

So why did they cast scorch instead of a frostbolt which is more efficient with Frostbite , Ice shards and Shatter ?

There are a couple of scenarios where it makes sense to cast scorch.  First, in world pvp you can cast it and not give your position.  For example, say your behind a tree and casting a frostbolt, the animation will show them where it's coming from.  Scorch doesn't have that, so it's a good way to not give away your position.  Second, it's probably the best dps when you are frost locked by counter spell.

[drig 0]

On 26.12.2016 at 3:01 PM, ZaWarudo said:

So why did they cast scorch instead of a frostbolt which is more efficient with Frostbite , Ice shards and Shatter ?

This is pvE thinking. 

There's many reasons to use scorch, specialy as deep frost mage. It all comes to experiance. Overall scorch is very good spell(second or third best dps source) to make presure on enemy without any risk. Risk in this matter can be defined as getting interrupted on frost/arcane. In those schools are hiden all your defensive abilities. To remind... the way opponent want to defeat you is by limiting your play options. Now i think you can answer your question by yourself ;)

Edited January 1, 2017 by drig