taladril

We will need a new server so it is a good thing the team has announced it and is prepped to split the population. When nost was running it wasn't feasable at the time or in a way for it to conveniently split the pop. It was also a little early. But then it shut down and people learned about the project. The numbers we saw in the stress test is not even close to what the pop is going to be for these things. We aren't going to have a pop of 4-5k each. It's gonna be a pop of 9-10k each with queues. I'm calling it now.

US primetime really shouldn't have maintenance shoved right in the middle of it. We understand that it needs to be fair to all people and the time that nost reset seemed like the best of all worlds. Please keep it nostlike.

Half the challenge of twinking is the foresight for knowing what you need and getting it before you get to the level that you want to. And yes that may even include exploring the entire coast of STV before target level if you want to get the fishing hat. Stopxp is another one of those quality of life improvements that shouldn't be made because it doesn't need to be because it isn't vanilla.

It's funny. It's not like retail wow opens new servers all the time. But mah progression. The community is dead... Well it's true but I'm pretty sure the reasons have nothing to do with the fact that the servers aren't fresh. And retail certainly cares literally zero for the fact that new people are mere years behind on progression from those that have been there forever. Nost closed and we were still only in BWL. You know how fast a new person could be geared up and ready for AQ? If they were motivated it would only be a couple of months. Scientifically average intelligence means half of all people are below average. This thread absolutely proves it.

Plus the deadmines (and wc too) has some of the best twink items in the game so it is very appealing to both factions.

This situation wouldn't be here if it weren't for us. That's the bottom line. We aren't complaining about a new server. In fact I don't think there's been a single thread or topic anywhere where people said that. So we have never attacked you and your glorious dreams of starting fresh. But you guys have had post after post and thread after thread of not just saying that new should trump old. No. But actually that old should not even exist. The sense of entitlement and selfishness from you people is absolutely boggling to me.

The fact that you are so concerned about community but completely ignorant of the basics of how community is created boggles my mind. And I mean that to every single person who is all confused about why we would possibly want the old database brought back. The old database has all of the people who started and came to nost. That is the community. Period. Anyone coming in fresh or rerolling fresh is not a community. Communities happen when people congregate. Are you congregating in game? No because it isn't released yet. You are hoping for a community that is vibrant and fresh and awesome, like nost was. Well if we bring back nost we bring back the community. If you don't then it's like you A-bombed a town and then put a sign up saying "free land" and go "ah what a nice community we have here." Good thing those pesky old timers were kicked out.

I'll skip a guild week to do mc and ony with any all druid runs. Sounds fun.

I guess I had no idea that virtually all of the dungeons can be 10 manned. That sorta blows my mind if that's accurate. As a criticism, I'm not sure why you have some listed faction specific. Either there are many more that are generally faction specific or none. SFK for example has no ally quests except the pally one as far as I know. Yet the deadmines has some for horde I think?

I'm just happy that it seems he didn't play druid back in the day. lessens the impact on our forums.

I'll just write my side of it too to add another voice. I am only coming back because my character is coming back. Unless blizz themselves come out with legacy I will never roll another toon on any server anywhere again. This is my last one and I'm pouring everything I can into it. I don't have time to restart any time the mood strikes or the new flavor of the month server comes out.

So after your future MC server first are you gonna continue or give up before the non faceroll raids start?

It's worth just sticking to server 2nd guild. It probably means they all have girlfriends which I think is a really nice irl perk.

Even with the sarcasm it proves that far too many people ask for random stuff like this we can't even tell if it's serious or not anymore.

There are a lot of instant 60 fun servers out there. I'd suggest you go to them because vanilla wow is clearly not for you.

Everyone loves to say, no no you guys got it all wrong. We aren't gonna ask for more than just a couple of obvious simple quality of life improvements. Then we say but if you ask for one thing then you'll ask for this and that and more. No you say, we only want that one thing. And now we have this. Yes lets remove the weapon requirement from level 10. 10! I mean that takes like 4 hours to get to. Who cares at that point? Ah but if you lower the requirement well now we have to complain about the fact that it costs money to train in. See exhibit A above. Vanilla is as it was. Stop trying to change it! If you want freebie crap then go play retail. Training, believe it or not has important reasons to stay in the game. Here's a couple: exploration, feeling of accomplishment, sense of purpose, goals for progression.

Your memory is absolutely lousy. If you don't know, it would be better to not speak up. Old nost has bwl open. AQ war effort was coming soon but had not been released. PVE server, AV just came out, no BWL yet.

Since it isn't said enough by the silent majority (minority?), I'm very excited to see how the servers are being released. There is a lot of hype and just opening the pvp server probably would have been overwhelming. Opening both existing servers is awesome and will even out the pop a lot and give people time to remember that their character wasn't so bad after all and maybe that gear they got was pretty cool and wouldn't it be great to go into bwl right away? And if they want to start over in fresh then great, enjoy it. The interest in this project is huge and I have zero worries about population of any of these servers. But to bicker back and forth, especially the new supporters is extremely childish and divisive. This project is special. We all know it. That's why it got so popular. So take a deep breath, calm down, and I'll see you on the 17th, ok?

I'm not sure what you're remembering. The max nost ever had was like 13k. 8k was in the off hours and yeah when it was that much it wasn't that bad. Ideal would be a little less to me.

Ferals certainly do better dps than what a prot would bring in so stick to two prots and drag your feral in to tank where needed.

4 dedicated warrior tanks is really overkill. 3 is pushing it but ok I guess if you want some depth for emergencies. Those last spots are much more efficient to have a feral or pull a fury into really.

The real problem debating this topic is we really don't know how hard AQ and Naxx will be when actually implemented. Back in vanilla yeah MC started hard and BWL started hard but most of the way through vanilla most every guild that raided could at least do BWL and of course they could thrash MC. Now could they in the times we do it? No. But like you said that is a product of optimization of gear, consumables, and talents. But AQ, especially the end and Naxx were different leagues. I hope that it will be like that on Nost. In general it will be at least sorta. The problem is too an issue of population. We have easily 4 times the guilds that existed on a single realm back in the day. From my memory we had about 2-3 guilds that could do at least something in Naxx. Probably 8-10 that were in AQ and the rest were doing BWL. Those in MC were just getting started. If you take all those and multiply by 4 then it seems generally reasonable that this may be similar to how it will be in nost. But then the guilds in nost are asking a lot more than was asked of the average raider back in the day. No one used consumables back then - not like we do at least. Full flasking of the entire raid while progressing? Lol no way. Probably what has changed the most is a general competitiveness of the scene. It's not harder, we're just tryharder.

hype!

Starting fresh on the new server will be crazy. It will be much much crazier than when we started fresh on Nost. Nost released with about 3k constant population. The starting zones were a zoo and it took many levels to even be able to choose to go to the areas that were off the beaten path and even they were zoos. Stranglethorn... someone around here equated that to Vietnam. Yeah that seems too true. I took one look at how bad it was populated and I went elsewhere. And I know I was on the leading edge of the bell curve of leveling so god help the people that were slightly slower. Now all of that was crazy but manageable. What do you think the new servers pop will be? 3k? Unlikely. 6k? 8? 10? 6 would be DOUBLE what we dealt with. Can you imagine twice as many people? 9k would be three times the number. At a certain point population goes from fun to cool to not good rapidly. I think there's going to be a lot of people that should consider that starting fresh on the fresh server may not be as appealing as they are making it out to be. As the server grew, we got used to having a pop of 8-10k. We did not start out with a pop like that. I'm not concerned for any of the servers but I think a lot of you who are excited for the new realm are underestimating what the effect is going to be because of the hype.

No cause I didn't abuse anything so I'll still be here.