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Slam you can get knock back timer of a mob hits you, best used after you after hit and after you have swung. It pauses your Auto attack swing timer so if you are within the time it would take to cast slam would delay your Auto attack you should wait. Example: 3.5 second weapon, my swing will go off in 0.4 seconds, do not use slam. If your swing isn't scheduled to go off for 3.0 seconds, use slam right after the mob hits you. That us what the are referring to with "timed correctly"

Restro specs: First is Swift Med spec: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#0zL0bZZxEcqeqVo at least 1 druid should have this to ensure max HoT on tank. This is mana intensive and you should be prepared to use potions and runes frequently. Is easier as you get more MP5. Gives burst healing and practice use swiftmed right before your HoT expires for most heal per mana on your HoT. Second spec is moonglow spec: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#0zjVIo0sZZxgcoxq used for spamming healing touch on the tank and spot heaing the raid with HoT and low rank healing touch. Alternatives to this spec involve taking 1/5 Nature's Focus, 3/5 Tranquil Spirit for 3/3 imp rejuv.

Weapon skill while world pvping does matter though since you are not given max skill automatically like in battleground; just not as much as PVE.

Dead mines ship at the end can be tough if you have a group that keeps body pulling the pats on the ship itself. Also if your dps is bad, might wipe on last boss with the adds or if a dps or 2 don't try to help CC them. Most things in this game are easy when you know what to do and execute properly. What makes things harder is the inability to control the other 4 people in your group and relying on them to use common sense when playing.

Bump: Concerned if there was/is going to be any "changes" to the way rage worked on Nost. This determines itemization. Also, I chose NE solely based on the already established rage gen rates, if things are "changed" RIP not being human.

Force of Will needs to be one of the AoE tanking trinkets. For helm, should note that you can get the buff and then swap the item off and not lose the buff.

Nost core has Biznicks already fixed to only be ranged. As for the list, since you guide is specific for tanks. ZG Enchant for 10 stam / 7 def / 15 Blv > 10 NR. For wrist you should include Sandstalker Bracers, For glove enchant because your top DPS will also be in NR gear on fights it is needed, you should be using +3 def or 15 agil> 2% threat Chest you can add; Breastplate of Wrath Shoulders you can add: Sylvan Shulders Legs: Slime-Coated Leggings Belt can add: Elemental Plate Girdle of Nature Resist

IMO should not get imo SW or imo taunt. Go 5/5 readiness. Impale is a MT spec and with higher threat comes less need for taunt. Getting 8 more DEF, you can the optimise your gear better on a per fight basis depending on if you need more hit or def. This is when things are on farm and running world buffs.

Thanks for the heads up on that, yeah I kept a Deathbringer with Lifestealing in bag just for BWL wyrmkin and chroma shadow Vul and would put Alcor's on during fire vul prior to TF. As long as rage stays the same, I will be using Lifestealing, more consumables to use though RIP.

Just do the AV rep grind and get: The Unstoppable Force > Arcanite Reaper and you won't have to worry about leveling Blacksmithing

For now, I am going to go with 40%. I can find no sources from back in the 2004-2006 range on this and 3 different forums nobody has an answer. What I will go by is I've done a 1.4k shield slam crit on a critter, but get around 850 shield slam crit on a boss. So this means the effect the dps values change a bit: World buffed: C = 15.24 DPS F = 14.95 DPS L = 11.03 DPS Raid Buffed: C = 13.1 DPS F = 13.48 DPS L = 10.05 DPS Now IF lifestealing scales with SP at 43%, as a warrior I can use arcane elixir and shadow power for +75 Shadow damage, at 43% would be + 32 more damage per proc. Giving me 62 damage a proc. With CoS and Weaving: 74 damage a proc / 78 damage a proc (world buffed). With Nightfall up: 83 damage a proc / 90 damage a proc (world buffed) World Buffed C = 15.24 DPS F = 14.95 DPS L = 26.78 DPS / 30.9 DPS (with Nightfall) Raid Buffed: C = 13.1 DPS F = 13.48 DPS L = 25.4 DPS / 28.49 DPS (with Nightfall) Conclusion Updates: With 40% damage reduction to armor taken into account: Crusader is 1.9% better than Fiery Weapon when world buffed, however is 2.1% worse than Fiery when only raid buffed. Lifestealing: IF it works with +SP and shadow damage % debuffs is 75% better than Crusader in terms of damage done. (without Nightfall proc) (comparing world buffed) % is even more self buffed. Summary: If rage starvations are an issue due to any "changes" then I will have to use Crusader. Through my testing thus far, Fiery is close enough to Crusader +/- 2% w/ and w/o world buffs that it will synergize well with DMC: Maelstrom and I will use Fiery Weapon. If Lifestealing does work with +SP and +% to shadow damage debuffs, I will use Lifestealing. @Theloras: I continue to not include Fiery Blaze as I do not want the AoE damage to break any CC at any point and Lifestealing would appear to come out ahead vs the two any ways (if scaling works)

If you get an error when attempting to save the .txt file for your realmlist, OR it reverts back every time you open it, it is because of your UAC settings. To quickly get around this, click and drag that .txt file to your desktop, edit the realmlist and save the txt file, then click and drag it back to where you pulled it from.

Do you have video proof of this? As far as I know this is treated as a DoT type of ability and would fall under the following change: Patch 1.10.0 (3/28/2006): Damage over time spells are no longer affected by changes in equipment after the cast. If it is in-fact not supposed to be lowered, it would be nice Pre-pull in some moments to have +SP gear on, Hero Charm, pop it, drop Consecration, (pre-pull), swap to tank gear with a macro and pull your mobs over it.

@Killerduki. The Crusader PPM you quote above doesn't state they are testing with Auto-Attacks only to get the actual PPM based off of their weapon-speed. You'll see on my test I linked, both specifically state they used autos only to find the PPM. Then if you look at my calculations, using the 1 PPM from their test of autos only, after I factor in the 40 possible global attacks you can do in 1 minute, it gave the proc a 2.2 PPM. So your test was most likely when they were playing their character using all abilities possible.

What is the SP to damage ratio?

Got to have something to keep myself busy. 3rd shift = slow shift.

I am still looking, only found mentions of pairing Fiery weapon with thrash blade for more rage, not that Fiery gives rage. Will continue.

Are you talking about when getting hit or when doing damage? Patch 1.3: http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.3.0 Fixed a bug where rage was not being generated when normal melee attacks were parried, dodged, and blocked.

I did forget to factor in Boss armor reduction in the Crusader damage increases. Does anybody know the % armor reduction a boss has when he is raid debuffed? Thank you in advance.

Continued: Sum of above calculations: **I am not including the heal in threat due to overhealing not providing threat and would do nothing if you were full** World buffed: C = 20.7 DPS F = 12 DPS L = 9 DPS Unbuffed: C = 17.79 DPS F = 11 DPS L = 8.2 DPS Now with factoring in 25% proc on Thunderfury. The weapon proc can proc the enchants as well. We do 71 attacks in 1 minute, 25% of those should proc the 300 damage+debuff, giving you 17.75 more attacks in 1 minute for determining the values of the enchants above. Lets round down to 17. So 88 hits in 1 minute. So with 88 hits (well factor in the enchants ability to proc off itself, thunderfury can not proc thunderfury) C = 2.7 procs in 1 minute (Thunderfury increases the PPM by 22.7% compared to a same speed non proc weapon) F = 20.6 procs in 1 minute (Thunderfury increases the PPM by 24.62% compared to a same speed non proc weapon) L = 20.6 procs in 1 minute (Thunderfury increases the PPM by 24.62% compared to a same speed non proc weapon) *note proc enchants F and L have higher % of increase due to the ability of F and L proccing off of themselves* Damage after increased % of uptime/PPM World buffed: C = 25.39 DPS F = 14.95 DPS L = 11.03 DPS Unbuffed: C = 21.82 DPS F = 13.48 DPS L = 10.05 DPS I am a fan of using DMC: Maelstrom over 2% Crit personally. Having Thunderfuy + Enchant of (F) or (L) gives a total amount of hits in 1 minute (including procs) of 31 white hits, 40 globals, 17 thunderfury procs and 20 (F) or (L) hits = 108 hits that DMC: Maelstrom can proc off of in 1 minute. With -25 NR from the enchant, change for partial resist and chance to crit, the average damage seemed to come out to around 284 per proc for my time using it (sorry don't have proc watch screen shot atm, hard to recreate with servers down). I will be performing some extensive test on DMC Maelstrom once servers are back up. But for now let's find out at what proc proc rates would do what damage: With 108 damaging abilities in 60 seconds, at 284 average damage: 1.5% proc rate = 5.11 DPS. 2.5% proc rate = 12.78 DPS 3.5% proc rate = 17.89. DPS *Note This can proc your enchant and back and forth, the numbers start getting smaller and smaller on a per hit bases REALLY fast, and some of that is already factored in as stated above, but it keeps going to and makes up fractions of a percent eventually. Once I know exactly what I'm getting with that trinket I'll be able to finish up this comparison.

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Jesus the site refreshed while working on formulas, typing all this for a second time. Okay so here is my findings talking about the proc rates of the said enchants. For conversation © = Crusader, (F) = Fiery Weapon, (L) = Lifestealing From 11/28/2005: http://www.elitepvpers.com/forum/wow-guides-templates/45008-weapon-enchantment-procs.html Proc Rates: (auto attacks) Crusader - 1 PPM Lifesteal - 6 PPM Fiery - 6 PPM While I didn't think Lifestealing and Fiery were so close to the same PPM, these post from a completely different source shows them to be equal as well from 6/18/2005: http://www.lurkerlounge.com/forums/thread-6352-post-80543.html#pid80543 The discrepancy is Crusader. This test has Crusader at a 2 PPM. But their PPM on lifestealing and Fiery is equal to the equation below. So pulling a 3rd source for Crusader from 4/6/2006: http://rogerkarlsson.com/blogs/wow/crusader/ It has the same 1PPM average, so we'll stick with that. I could find no other source suggesting 2 PPM. How how to tell our our chance to proc based off the weapon we are using: %CP = %Chance to Proc AS = Weapon Attack Speed PPM = Proc Per Minute rate %CP = ( PPM * AS ) / 60 Using a Thunderfury: 1.9 speed C = 3.1% chance to proc F = 19% chance to proc L = 19% chance to proc How often is that in a 1 minute battle? We need to take how many swings we do with the 1.9 speed weapon, and factor in a total possible global cooldown abilities possible in that 1 minute as well. 31 white hits, and 40 global cooldowns which can proc the enchants listed above. So with 71 hits: C = 2.2 Procs in 1 minute. F = 13.49 Procs in 1 minute. L = 13.49 Procs in 1 minute. But that doesn't stop there for F and L. Because in that 1 minute, you did damage 13.49 more times, you then factor that into the proc chance as well, because the ability can proc off itself. So we take 19% proc chance on the 13.49 additional hits for 2.56 more procs, and factor it again, for 0.48 more procs. (well stop there) Because the crusader proc doesn't do damage, we can not do the same for that. So our new procs in one minute per enchant are: C = 2.2 procs in 1 minute F = 16.53 procs in 1 minute L = 16.53 procs in 1 minute How much damage is that giving you? Lets start with the easy ones first, F and L. F = 16.53 procs x 40 damage = 661.2 Damage in 1 min. 11 DPS If world buffed 18% spell crit = 43.6 average damage = 720.70 damage in 1 minute. 12 DPS L = 16.53 procs x 30 damage = 495.9 Damage in 1 min. 8.2 DPS If world buffed 18% spell crit = 32.70 average damage = 540.53 damage in 1 minute 9 DPS *Note I am not factoring in resist because I am also not doing to factor in Weaving/Imp Scorch/Curse Shadows/Curse Elements to counter. We will leave this at base for example purposes. Spell crit world buffs from DM/Songflower/Rallying Cry = 18% Compare this to Crusader damage increase: Assuming 3.5 AP increases your white hit/Heroic strike by 1 damage. Assuming Crusader doesn't overwrite itself on the 2.2 procs in 1 minute we are getting 55% uptime on 100 Str. 100 Str = 200 AP and 5 Shield block Value. Assuming 25% crit. Assuming Impale spec (220% crit damage) Our white hits/heroic strikes will hit 57 harder regular hit and 125 crit, so on average 74.1 more damage per swing. 31 possible swings in 1 minute 2297.1 damage, but with a 55% uptime: 1263.4 damage. Then factor in the 5 extra damage on your shield slam every 6 seconds. 10 shield slams in 1 minute with 25% crit and impale: an extra 65 damage. Crusader is increasing our damage by: 1180.54 x 0.9 (def stance) = 1067.95 @ 18% crit = 17.79 DPS 1328.4 x 0.9 (def stance) = 1195.56 @ 25% crit Impale spec. = 19.9 DPS 1384.74 x 0.9 (def stance) = 1246.26 @ 35% crit Impale spec. (world buffed - song flower + rallying cry) = 20.7 DPS The effect of Crusader on 0 crit vs 25% crit for a tank is an increase of 4.59 DPS. or 275.9 damage in 1 minute. The effect of Crusader on 0 crit vs 35% crit for a tank is an increase of 5.44 DPS. or 326.6 damage in 1 minute. Sum of above calculations: **I am not including the heal in threat due to overhealing not providing threat and would do nothing if you were full** World buffed: C = 20.7 DPS F = 12 DPS L = 9 DPS Unbuffed: C = 17.79 DPS F = 11 DPS L = 8.2 DPS

Yeah gotta love the double and triple procs at times. I'll do my best to find a proc watch test on it from 2006 or before, and will link the Crusader and Lifestealing proc watches as well. Important that the test are only on Autos and mention the weapon speed.

you "reckon 15+ agil is better" is not explaining why. Just saying. "ie. fewer swings with slow weps, less chance of Crusader to proc. " How is this you not saying slow weapons will proc it less? Alcor's with my numbers would proc crusader 1.3 times on average 30 seconds. Deathbringer would proc crusader 3.6 times on average in 30 seconds. @Killer, I'll see what I can dig up on it. I could only find Proc rate testing on Crusader and Lifestealing, Fiery is much harder to find info on. Been looking for about 5 hours of last 2 days.