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Not as bad, but the real issue is gear availability per realm. You'd had Nost-PVP premade going up against Elsyium-PVP premade. AQ40 gear vs Dire Maul maybe BWL gear.

Gathering professions can be hard to level while starting off due to over population. If you are willing to grind it out at the start, mining/herbing will help you a lot when not everybody man get those consumables level 20+ zones because they gave up. If you roll melee, I recommend alchemy herb.

Yeah I didn't want fiery blaze due to breaking CC in 5/10/20 mans. It is more of a pally AoE enchant. Lifestealing scaling wouldn't help me much. Lifestealing should give 45 threat per proc, fiery 40 per proc. I can assume 13% crit while world buffed. So if fiery weapon procs 11% more often than Lifestealing, they would even out in threat, BUT that isn't including the additional chances to proc DMC: Maelstrom. Will be a lot of numbers to run.

I am not gonna keep going back and forth with you while you open each post that I didn't read what you put. You yourself are only counting auto attacks. Not each attack possible on a 1.5 second global as well. You get in a 30 second fight 20 globals, 10 autos. Deathbringer will have the highest proc rate of Cruusader due to its 2.9 speed. Haste does not increase the proc rate, only the ppm due to getting an additional attack. But so does the proc from Deathbringer because procs can proc off of procs, giving more uptime. If Nost becomes a rage starvation due to any changes Crusader will be tops. Period. But that is not what this post is about. What is the proc rate of the 3 mentioned enchant, if whom ever ran test on these with auto attacks only has numbers and tell me what weapon speed you were using, I can determine the rest.

You get more procs on Crusader with a lower weapon, not less. Procs rates are formulated based off MH weapon swing. An example with Crusader: If I use Alcor's and it procs 1 time every 23 auto attack swings, from a 5k hit test, it gives an average proc rate 2 times every minute from autos. Giving a 4.3% proc rate. Factor in 40 possible global cool down instant attacks + 46 auto attacks that can be done in 1 min, it should proc 3.67 times in a minute. Using the same 2ppm that Alcor's obtained, (Vanilla mechanics adjust this to weapon speed), 2.9 sec. Deathbringer will swing 20.6 autos but will still result in the 2 procs in the same amount of time. This gives us a proc rate of 10.3%. We factor in the max amount of global cooldowns possible of 40 in a min at a rate of 10.3% proc rate, we get 7.2 procs in 60 seconds using the same enchant. In short, Crusader on Deathbringer has 2x the uptime than on Alcor's. The same applied for DMC: Maelstrom, pairing it with Deathbringer made it proc more, on top of procs being able to proc off of procs, you got even more Trinket, weapon, enchant procs from EVERY more. AP/crit will only help your Auto and rarely used heroic strike and 5 more shield slam damage on a 6 second cool down. They are also not subject to 0.9 damage reduction. The rage starvation was real, often to the point of foregoing shield block just to get more Sunders. 600+ damage worth of procs that can go off on a Sunder, Revenge, Shield slam is insane for threat. So if rage gained from damage is changed to Kronos level and you only Heroic Strike 4 times an MC run (it was that bad) I will get Crusader, if I can use Heroic on the regular without it, I need the average PPM on autos only of each enchant (and weapon speed used for said test) and I can do the rest of the math on what is better for threat. I'll use DMC: Maelstrom over 2% crit all day. 40% of my tank abilities can't crit, much less do any damage. Revenge crit is LoL, and only 20% of my tank abilities are affected by AP.

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I mention Iron Foe for tanking, not DPS. If rage generation from incoming damage is "corrected" some would say, you can't spam heroic strike regardless if it is 1.3 Alcor's or 2.9 Deathbringers. If you look at tanks on Kronos, where is supposed is correct, all tanks either used Crusader or Lifestealing for threat. I myself used Crusader on Deathbringer / 15 agil on Quel, swapped depending on if I was kill target tanking or off tanking something that is lower on kill priority. I myself used what is in my toon link on Nost, 8 hit, 420 def (if using Onxyia Tailsman), can't remember my base crit off the top of my head, but it was decent. 412 Def if using DMC: Maelstrom. But this portion of the convo has really gotten off topic to the proc rates of said enchants.

Thought about putting it warrior thread, but other classes would also benefit from knowing base white hit proc rates of these items. My inquiry was based on Nost rage generation of incoming damage. If this is changed, RIP everybody using Alcorz, RIP me passing on 4 Iron Foes. If rage generations get changed more comparable to Kronos, then Crusader is a must IMO due to needing stronger white hits for rage. I would then probably spec out of Impale and back into Imp Sunder due to needing stronger auto and not being able to HS as often vs Sunder.

You are posting patch 1.12.2 patch notes. That is the patch for pre-expansion release #NewTalents #weaponspeed normalization. This post is not relevant to Vanilla WoW which stops at 1.12.1. /thread.

Should be competing against members of your same class. Also they can dish early burst damage on aggro sensitive fights and FD BEFORE!!!!!! they pull threat. /pray that the 17% resist doesn't get them.

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Yeah I just saw that it is a pre-res to specialization. I wouldn't say it is useless, like I mentioned, if you are AoE tanking stuff, IE: BWL adds, ZG Jindo room / spider adds, panther boss adds / AQ Fankriss Tunnel and Fankriss adds, AQ White trash mobs after split - You can still use a /sit macro to each only 1 crit on purpose, and give yourself 30% chance to block x5 which would easily outweigh the extra damage you took from a trash-aoe mob lvl 60 criting you. Would also then increase your AoE threat cause of damage done from blocking. TL;DR: not useless.

I have a question about your protection spec. If you hit Crit immune (440DEF +) why do you spec into Redoubt over Imp devo for when you don't need +Holy damage threat. I am guessing it is to /sit when AoE tanking?

Yeah I understand that swapping a weapon will then lower Cons damage that is already laid. However not all moments is tanking about threat. When you already are high on the threat list, and feel comfortable about not losing threat, why would you focus on then continuing to gain even more threat, when at that point you can focus on reducing your incoming damage. "17 Defense overcap , wasted and useless" is only waited if you keep your other gear on. Eventually you'd want to replace Onxyia Tailsmain with : Glyph of Deflection (since you mention Naxx gear). Puts you at 9 def over cap. Having Mark of C'Thun would put you at 12 def over cap. Emp Vek ring over Brooze dragonflight would put you at 14 over. You can then use your second ring slot for Seal of the Damned . Puts you at 9 over again. You can then take off any other item you want pretty much for more SP/Spell Hit. (like replace Emp Vek ring for Archimitros) to counter the stam loss of icebane chest. So you'd get an amazing Block Value trinket, more SP, more spell crit and hit. I'm just bored at work looking at this stuff. Naturally you go with what is available to you. /cheers.

You have on Icebane Breastplate in your Screen shot. Naxx item. My post references AQ and before. You also have for legs: Bloodsoaked Legplates Icebane Breastplate: 899 AC + 24 stam + 12 str + 8 Def Bloodsoaked Legplates: 674 ac + 36 str + 21 Stam + 10 Def You are getting: 1573 ac + 45 Stam + 48 Str + 18 Def Deathbone Chestplate: 636 ac + 12 stam + 17 Def Deathbone Legguards: 557 ac + 20 stam + 13 Def (+3 def set bonus) You are getting: 1193 ac + 33 stam + 33 Def 15 Def is a lot compared to 380 AC and 120 HP. You are also using in your screen shot: Icebane Gauntlets over Gauntlets of Steadfast Determination or Gauntlets of the Immovable Icebane Gauntlets: 562 ac + 18 Stam + 9 Str + 5 Def Gauntlets of the Immovable: 482 AC + 18 Stam + 15 Str + 5 Def + 1% Parry 1% Parry & 6 Str > 80 AC Gauntlets of Steadfast Determination: 535 ac + 20 Stam + 19 Str + 18 Agil + 9 Def - BiS Icebane Bracers (which you have on) are BiS for Pally though. For your weapons, naturally you should have a TPS weapon with +30 SP and an avoidance weapon with 15 agil TPS weapons: Wraith Blade > The End of Dreams > Sharpened Silithis Femur > Lok'amir il Romathis (close 3rd) Avoidance weapons: Blessed Qiraji War Hammer > Quel'Serrar = Spineshatter Swap weapons mid fight as needed between your best TPS and best avoidance weapon. If you are really good, swap to TPS weapon when you are able to to use abilities that are SP based, swap right back. Rotate. If you are going pure threat on a specific target, rotate TPS weapon with Spineshatter (pre War Hammer) since swapping Quel will lose the buff proc. If you are going pure avoidance use Quel'Serrar over Spineshatter (pre War Hammer).

That is included in my OP: "and 4 damage per shield slam" 100 Str / 20 = 4 shield block value. SBV to Shield slam damage conversion is 1:1. Edit: Oh yeah, I did 4 not 5. Fixing. Thanks.

Looking at gear through AQ40: Chest: Deathbone Chestplate - BiS Gloves: Gauntlets of Steadfast Determination > Gauntlets of the Immovable > Deathbone Gauntlets Belt: Royal Qiraji Belt > Unmelting Ice Girdle > Deathbone Girdle Legs: Deathbone Legguards - BiS > Bloodsoaked Legplates. (while comparing based off overall - Threat/EHP/DEF they are the same, using Deathbone gives you the +3 def 2 piece bonus of having the chest as well, causing Deathbone Leggaurds to be BiS) Boots: Boots of the Unwavering Will > Bloodsoaked Greaves > Deathbone Sabatons Hope this helps

You will have plenty of time to learn your class while leveling and doing 5 mans and UBRS. If you are slacking on something typically expected of a class, somebody will ask you to do that thing. After a couple of raids, it will be second nature.

What finally did it for me was the implementation of "Tokens" in WotlK completely negating the need to do the previous tier raid. CoC was a gimicy joke. Making raid bosses like Uldar first boss using vehicles, which they then used mounts in CoC, and free loot Gun-Ship Battle. Heroic Uldar was the last thing I enjoyed before everything new was a "catch-up" for casuals.

This would also allow for cross realm BGs to be implemented when/if ever needed, since both servers would be on the same patch for gear availability. OFC don't have this at the start, only if never needed. I think the new server may stick to a quicker content release time than Nost 1.0 went through since they won't have to PTR BWL/ZG. They can just open next content after they feel enough guilds have cleared it. I feel confident that if there was ever an issue on Nost realm with guilds having to merge/collapse just to do the latest content, they would inquire/ponder a merge with Elysium server IF they reach the same patch/time line. Such as AQ out for a long time on Nost, out for 1 month on Elysium, merge them to keep that high pop/guild roster availability, and then drop the Scourage invasion once Elysium people have had time to hit AQ for a bit of time. Either way I feel confident that the admins will do what is best for the masses if a time such as ^ came up.

Very nice. Thank you everybody for your time to respond to this post.

Yeah I know the + damage is factored into the tool-tip DPS of the weapon, however is that damage that SHOULD penetrate the Blessing of Protection type shields dealing the full + Elemental Damage? Or is that Elemental damage ALSO affected by it's target's armor? - This would effect the DPS slightly if the + elemental damage is subject to armor reductions. I am just not sure of this portion of expected behavior. This "only elemental dmg should work thru physical immune bubbles ." This tells me if it can bypass physical damage immunity shields, it shouldn't be subject to physical damage reduction values. (The +16-30 Nature damage).

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I logged on and posted a 5 question post including this as well.

Not from the weapon slot. The Might of Cenarius and Blazefury Medallion are the only +Damage items a druid SHOULD be able to attribute from while in cat/bear.