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They are afraid about vanilla servers dying, not because they will open transfers though. The aim here is to avoid vanilla servers dying while also letting people transfer from Elysium to Anathema/Darrowshire.

We are talking about what would theoretically happen if some particular events happen. We are speculating. They are not going to kill the vanilla servers, they will remain there and be functional until they say the opposite. In fact, if you had read everything, you would know it.

I completely agree, and to be honest it seems even better than letting people transfer at any time. Giving them the option to transfer only now should ensure that Elysium doesn't die.

I don't know that, but there are already people who want this simply because there is a chance Anathema might get TBC first. On the other hand, it would fix some other issues like the heavy lag and crashes happening on Elysium lately. Just look around the forums, there are so many people complaining. There are players willing to move from Elysium to Anathema/Darrowshire mainly because of these problems aswell. EDIT: I just think that transfers from Elysium to Anathema/Darrowshire can benefit everyone in so many ways... It helps balacing the population on the realms, it helps the lag/crashes issue with Elysium and it lets people who want to experience TBC ASAP simply move on to Anathema.

Look, I think there's only one thing we have to push for here. I completely understand you when you say "I don't want to start over". Some people have already suggested it, but it feels like it's not getting enough attention. If Elysium players would be able to transfer to Anathema before TBC comes out, it would solve all problems. That way, I don't feel like Elysium would have any excuse to complain about Anathema getting TBC first. If you really want to play TBC, then you can just transfer there without having to re-roll.

Some time ago, before the TBC announcement, there were some discussions going on about making some kind of transfers from Anathema to Elysium, or even merge both servers because of the issues ongoing with the population. The reason is quite obvious: no one wanted to see their progress wasted. A lot of players, and even staff members such as @Stodola, simply told these people to re-roll on Elysium and deal with it if they really cared about playing on a healthy realm. Now you, as an Elysium player, are saying that you don't want to start on another realm and thus losing all your progress and time invested because that one realm is getting TBC first. Most of you started playing on Elysium knowing it was the least progressed server, and while it was obvious it would have the most population out of all 3, you should also have expected an outcome like this. Are you seriously expecting the players on Anathema to wait for you, implying it will simply die if that happens (PLEASE keep in mind Elysium will get Naxx around September 2018, which means Anathema players would have to wait til 2019). Who wants to bet that if you were on Anathema, you would be the one asking for TBC to come out ASAP without giving any care to Elysium? Selfish much aren't we? Don't even have to comment this.

Why are Anathema and Darrowshire not full then?

The lag is most likely caused by the high population your server have, since both Anathema and Darrowshire run as smooth as it can possibly get (and no, that's not cause they're getting more love from the staff). You chose Elysium because of that, didn't you? They either need to get better hardware or somehow decrease the population. That could be fixed by opening transfers from Elysium to Anathma and/or Darrowshire.

"Guaranted most people will leave Elysium server and start fresh on TBC anyway." ----> Arguable. There are no fresh servers planned for TBC, there will be only new TBC servers where you can transfer your chacaters (fresh = everyone starts from level ONE). It would be kind of stupid from them to keep on playing on Elysium if they had planned to start fresh on TBC no matter what: why not re-roll now if that's the cae? I'm fairly sure that a good chunk of the players on Elysium would gladly transfer to Anathema now if they had the option, though. "I believe that they should just have 1 server if it can handle around 8k people. if they cant, release 2 or 3 realms and then merge since the timelines would be the same (ie: zethkur). open it up when available to all servers." ----> Are you really sure that anything above 5k on TBC is healthy? Most of the players will be in the outlands with their level 60 characters, did you even try to imagine what would be to complete the first quests there with so many people around you? And keep in mind this is different from a fresh vanilla start, considering the whole population is not concentrated in a single zone but are instead divided in 6 areas. Not to mention that you don't even have to complete quests to get out of there, you just need to kill mobs for a while and you're done. "let anybody transfer to it as vanilla gear really doesnt matter anyway as by the time you hit 63 blues and greens are better than naxx gear" ---> Yea you're ri... wait what no what the heck did I just read? I assume you have literally now clue how strong Naxxramas gear is, considering you really think that. Players in tier 3 can literally skip gathering gear in heroics and go straight to Karazhan with that kind of gear.

That's the advantage of having those realms at the same content patch. It's safe to assume that whenever they release TBC, it's gonna be overcrowded with people: only 1 realm might bring some major issues. On the other hand, If somethings goes wrong for any kind of reason on one particular realm, you can always merge them... something that cannot be done with our current Anathema, Darrowshire and Elysium realms.

I completely agree that two different timelines should never happen ever, but I personaly think it's too early to say the same about multiple realms in general. Let's assume they will release only one TBC realm: will that server be stable enough, considering it will have the population of Anathema, Darrowshire and Elysium concentrated in the outlands? Keep in mind that even now Elysium sometimes has stability issues, there are quite a few topics popping out once in a while talking about how the server keeps crashing.

Well, it mainly depends on what the staff decides to do at the end of the day. If they decide to release Anathema TBC and Elysium TBC at the same time like you mentioned, it makes sense that people start suspecting what server will come out first. Personally, if this happens to be the case, then it would be totally possible to see Crestfall out before Anathema/Elysium TBC. Keep in mind that (assuming Anathema will actually wait Elysium to catch up) Naxxramas on Elysium will only come out around September 2018. After that, they still need some time before actually upgrading to TBC; since it wouldn't make any sense to release Naxxramas only to go TBC 1 month later, or am I wrong? We need to be careful when we state things like "I'm willing to wait for elysium to catch up!", because it might mean that we won't see TBC even in 2018. I am myself not sure whether or not I would actually wait more than 1 year.

While it's true the first post used plural, there are also hints that it would be only one server: Once THE server is live. As well as being copied to THE new TBC realm. I feel like that at this point we would need a reply from the staff to know if their initial plan was to have only one realm or multiple ones.

Does this mean that, in your opinion, joining a new TBC realm where the only difference is that it starts at a later patch instead of 2.0 is a bad idea? EDIT: Also keep in mind that their main idea is even worse for the majority. They said Anathema players would be the first to transfer over, hinting that there will be a single TBC realm. If that is the case, then you'll just end up being in a realm where old Anathema players have farmed a part of the content already. Sure, nothing is final and they already stated that, but I'm fairly sure we can agree that if you had to decide, you'd probably pick my solution instead of simply joining an already progressed realm where guilds and players have been farming raids for months, right?

No matter how look at it, having multiple realms on different timelines is what causes most of the issues. If somehow Anathema TBC and Elysium TBC get to be both on the same content patch, it would actually be fine to have multiple servers: the main problemi is having one server more progressed than the other. On the other hand, we also know that releasing TBC only when Elysium has Naxxramas ready is not a good idea too. At that point, Anathema players might have grown tired of waiting and there might simply be no one left. It's also worth noting that by uniting all the players into one single TBC realm might cause some major problems. Just imagine having all the 60s from Anathema, Darrowshire and Elysium entering hellfire peninsula all at the same time. The Outlands are not as big as the classic world, it might get so clunked that crashes might happen constantly. Because of this, I personally think it would be for the best to have multiple realms instead of one single realm (and keep in mind, I am one of those that would love to see all the players in one single realm). Let's keep some facts in mind: The players don't want to transfer into an existing TBC realm where people have already farmed their gear, not to mention the realm might have progressed quite a lot in the meantime. It makes sense for them to want their own TBC realm (this concerns mainly Elysium and Darrowshire players, as being the realms that don't get TBC first). Most of the players also don't want to have multiple realms on different timelines, otherwise we'd be repeating Anathema/Elysium all over again (this concerns mainly Anathema and Darrowshire players, as being the older realms). After having taken these 2 things in consideration, the only thing I can think of is this: release Anathema TBC as soon as it's ready instead of waiting for Elysium to catch up to Naxxramas. When Elysium is ready to have their own TBC realm, they should release Elysium TBC at the same patch of Anathema's TBC realm. Ofcourse, I have not mentioned Darrowshire, but it would probably get the same treatment. By doing this, we're completely erasing these problems: Multiple realms on different timelines. Possible extreme lags and crashes due to outlands being not as big as the classic world. Forcing players to join on an already progressed realm where there are already people geared and the economy is estabilished (the only main problem here is that the server has still progressed as much as Anathema, you simply don't have anyone playing there yet). There are surely going to be some players who don't like my suggestion, I'll gladly hear you out on why you don't think it would work out, as long as people give me their reasoning behind their statements. EDIT: I forgot to mention that by opening transfers from Elysium to Anathema/Darrowshire would also help implementing this kind of "solution", while also giving benefits to both sides right now. The players who don't want to wait Elysium to reach Naxxramas before being able to see TBC, can just transfer to Anathema and prepare for it.

Everyone is scared of playing on a server that might die. It's an endless cycle, people quit because other people quit because other people quit and so on. I'm fairly sure some players would gladly go back to Anathema now, especially after the TBC announcement.

Oh look, a scary Elysium player afraid to lose a part of his precious population that would ruin the dream of having 9k pop. If you don't have any counter argument apart from "What kind of suggestion is that" then refrain from wasting your time. But I suppose you simply do not care at all about anything that doesn't benefit you in any possible way, pure definition of selfish.

@Hudson, can I ask for your attention on this topic for a minute? I noticed you replied on a different thread about transferring characters: I completely agree that transfers from either Anathema or Darrowshire TO Elysium are pretty much never going to happen for multiple reasons (like the ones you mentioned). On the other hand, wouldn't transfers from Elysium to Anathema and/or Darrowshire make everything better for everyone? Now, I get it that realms are on different patches, I seriously understand that, but I kindly ask you to not close this topic right after replying here (if you're going to reply at all), it's really hard to communicate when as soon as you respond, you cut off any way to let us say anything back. We all agree that Anathema/Darrowshire -> Elysium is a very bad idea, mainly because it's hard to implement ways to fix the disparity of gear. On the other hand, the opposite (Elysium -> Anathema/Darrowshire) it's not true. There is nothing Elysium players can get that Anathema or Darrowshire players can't, there are no other complications in this case compared to the other type of transfer. It would also benefit all of the current realms: we all know how overcrowded Elysium is, sometimes it gets laggy and crashes because of that. By allowing Elysium players to transfer on Anathema/Darrowshire, not only Elysium will be more stable, but the other 2 realms will get some life back aswell. Since when TBC has been announced, even more players are now interested in this, considering there's a chance Anathema might be the first realm to have TBC. I'm also fairly sure there are some guilds on Elysium who are bored of running only MC and BWL again and would love to transfer here, without having to wait for months to get the content released there. Yes, I know many of the staff members replied about this matter multiple times already, but do you still believe that transfers from Elysium to Anathema should not happen because they are on different patches, while as long as they start from the least progressed server to the most progressed one, doesn't involve any complications at all?

You're welcome. Lastly, I should probably mention one more thing that I forgot which might change your idea: TBC has been announced recently aswell, and according to their current plan, Anathema will be the first to have the option to transfer the characters there. I have no idea how much you enjoyed TBC in the past, but keep that in mind aswell. If they don't change their mind about it and you're also really interested in playing TBC, Anathema then might just be a better option.

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I play mainly Rogue. The only place that you might not enjoy are The Barrens, because it's way too overcrowded most of the times, and Stranglethorn (the ganking happening sometimes is pretty crazy).

Anathema and Darrowshire have both some guilds left that regularly raid, but that's pretty much it. On the other hand, Elysium is quite behind content-wise, which means it would take a lot of time for you to actually see raids like AQ40 and Naxxramas. If that's fine for you, then you should probably join Elysium. It mainly depends on what are your expectations, needs and more importantly, what are your goals. If you want to see endgame content badly, then Anathema is the way to go (keep in mind the low pop though). Otherwise, if you feel like just having fun, doing some world pvp while levelling and enjoy the game while waiting for new content to come out, you should definitely join Elysium. Keep also in mind they recently announced TBC being offered to the current realms in the future, and a chance that Anathema might be the first realm to have transfer options. As a last thing, you should also consider the option of playing casually and wait for Crestfall to be released, since it's going to be a PTE server (the server itself will turn into TBC in the future, and then WottLK aswell most likely).

Right now, there are no transfers being offered, although there is no guarantee it will always be like this. The only tranfers that would make sense are from Elysium to either Anathema or Darrowshire, simply because being the least progressed server, it would be impossible or really hard to do the opposite (Anathema/Darrowshire -> Elysium), considering players from Anathema and Darrowshire have gear currently unobtainable on Elysium, which means they would have to either remove those items or disable them until the correct patch hits. You never know, maybe they will actually implement those, it's hard to say right now. I can see them implementing transfers from Elysium to the other 2 realms though. I play on Anathema horde side, waiting for Naxxramas to be released on September. Zeth'Kur was basically a mistake made by the staff. When Elysium released, it had an insane population with probably 10k players (I can't tell right now, but extremely high) and since it had a cap, there were insane queues as well (10k+ players waiting to log). They decided it was for the best to release another one in order to alleviate the mess on Elysium, which ended up backfiring after some months. Because of other reasons (mainly the fresh hype disappearing and some old drama happening back then), Zeth'Kur ended up being a ghost town. It was decided to shut it down after offering the players still playing there a transfer option to any of the other current realms.

No, that's entirely correct. That's the main problem: there is no good compromise, it's either an overcrowded (and these days laggy too) server or simply under populated. Most of the players just enjoy having a healthy realm to play on, not to mention the fact that most of them are scared of having the older realm (Anathema) die because of way too many players jumping ship. The result is what you can see now, 2 ghost towns and 1 very high populated server. These are your choices: Anathema, population between 500 to 1500 at peak times, Naxxramas almost relased. Darrowshire (PvE), population similar to Anathema (slightly more lately), AQ to be released sometime in the future (I have no idea when). Elysium, population between 5000 to 9000 at peak times, BWL released recently (which means it's at patch 1.6, ZG is still not there). None of them are exactly what you described to be your ideal server, but Elysium is probably your best bet since it's not far ahead with content and realm seems alive, even though it has more players than you hoped.

Mi sembra un buon piano! Magari prova a contattare qualcuno dei Lupo Lucio così ti fai gildare li e ti prepari per la vera avventura che ci sarà su Crestfall, tankare non è facilissimo!