Keala

I have 220 days played on Anathema and want to transfer my characters. No fresh TBC experience please.

You are not friendly with the Orgrimmar faction.

Even if we work together (which would be an achievement already... not happening), at the end of the day it's still up to the staff. If they literally don't want offer and kind of merge or transfer (now or in the future... doesn't matter), there is little we can do apart from suggesting our ideas and hoping for the best. At this point the only thing I can see saving Anathema is a TBC announcement and even then, we still have Darrowshire to take care of.

That's what it looks like though. I mean, let's look at facts: Anathema's and Darrowshire's population have dropped to Zeth'Kur's level (if not below at this point), and yet when it happened to Zeth'Kur it was admitted that the gameplay was affected in a negative way and thus made the right thing to let the players choose where to go from there with transfers. Now that the same thing is happening with Anathema and Darrowshire, when I try to look for informations about this issue all I can find are closed or deleted threads, statements that show no intention of doing anything ever to help those servers, such as "It's up to the players to make Anathema bloom once again! Go and convince people/guilds on Elysium to move there!", because apparently opening transfers from Elysium to Anathema is too much work. Don't get me wrong: I am not saying a solution needs to be applied right this moment or anything. The population issue is clearly visibile and is getting bigger as time passes, but even then it's not getting addressed at all and it looks like everyone in the staff think that everything's cool. It's like you are all seriously covering your eyes with your own hands to not see the gravity of the situation. I would really love to see what the staff decides to do in the case that all the players left on Anathema/Darrowshire decide altogether to stop playing, making the servers have less than 100 players at peak times. What would you do, then? Will you actually do something like making an announcement about it, or are you going to be like "Oh, Anathema died. Whatever, I'll just reroll on Elysium I guess" and shut it down?

My choice of words was probably bad, but I'm sure you got the point. In the end, saying "They opened a server knowing that it will kill Anathema" or "They had planned to kill Anathema" is basically the same in my eyes.

If what you say is true (and at this point I can see it being a possibility), and they had planned to kill Anathema from the very start, then they should have been at least fair with everyone and said that directly (and while it makes sense for Anathema, what would the plans be for Darrowshire then, since their issue is the same, if not worse?). I am not one of those players willing to reroll on Elysium and suck up their hate towards Anathema, I spent way too much time there to give up on everything. I would love to see Anathema survive, gain some more population or get merged. If none of these things happen and Anathema dies completely, I'll just deal with it and move forward. No big deal. But if there's one thing that I will never do, that is to be their puppet and do what they expect me to do (which is reroll on Elysium and give up on Anathema). Either way, this is only speculation. I still believe that all we really need is a response on this matter. And if their mind still has not changed and they still believe Anathema is fine and a merge/transfer is not a solution, while also not having any plan to at least trying to fix the issue... then good luck, I'll gladly walk away and be done with the project as soon as Anathema is dead completely.

https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/51478-server-cap-or-merge-servers/ We don't need more threads talking about this, join us in the other thread and say your opinion in there. Although at this point I think it's pretty clear what their stance is on this matter, even without saying a single word. They also announced further Naxxramas PTR testing, which talks by itself. The population issue within Anathema and Darrowshire is most likely not even a topic of discussion among the staff, which is both disappointing and disheartening. I recall reading a reply from a staff member some time ago (I don't remember which section), and he said that "Anathema is fine". Apparently they genuinely think that both Anathema and Darrowshire are fine population wise, and as stubborn as they are, we probably won't see any action until it's too late. As far as I am concerned all these threads talking about this issue could just get closed at this point.

@Undertanker The problem is that when these people talk about "content", they consider everything else below max level to be as such. He mentioned multiple times that lower level brackets battlegrounds are "dead" on Anathema and almost dead on Elysium, which makes me assume he's playing mainly to play the """content""" below level 60. Now after haivng taken this into consideration, if you think about it, it makes perfect sense that they'd rather want a fresh TBC server, because then they get to experience their very relevant low level """""content""""". Because of that, they'd rather push for what it's best for them instead of what is best for the majority, which even leads to making statements such as "Don't deny a fresh start to the thousands that want it", when in reality, it's probably just a bunch of them that want it. Either way, I agree with pretty much everything you said, and I couldn't have said it better.

Normally, most of the people will attempt to further explain their statements by argumenting them in order to discuss said statements in a worthy way, but apparently it's much easier to just reply with even more questions that prove nothing and give zero insight about what you're trying to say. Why should people not play on Legacy Servers instead of playing on private servers, in the case they were to be released? (psst... I would play there!) Why should a transfer destroy a vanilla realm when it would be destroyed either way?

This makes no sense in any possible way imaginable. What does this even mean? Are you trying to imply that if a vanilla realm dies after a tbc realm is released, then everyone plays because it's free? This is seriously what I'm understanding from your sentence. "Let the community prove it." Prove what? -> "That 90% of the people who play retro-Wow don't do it just because it's free" How do we prove that? -> "Don't deliberately kill a vanilla realm" And after completing the puzzle, this is what I see: "If we release a tbc realm and it kills a vanilla realm, then the people are playing because it's free". Am I really the only one understanding this or anyone here thought the same? Please tell me cause i'm so confused right now. And no, the lesson is that new servers kill the older ones. It's not hard to imagine what Anathema would be if both Elysium and Darrowshire never existed at all. Everyone would be playing on Anathema and the community wouldn't be split as it is now. Let's just go back in time for a moment and think of Nostalrius. What would the situation be if the shutdown never happened? Everyone would have continued playing there, not giving a single fuck about opening new servers because they were already playing on the existing ones. Newer players weren't asking for new fresh servers either. In the end (we're still in the ideal world where the shutdown never happened) Nostalrius would have released their TBC servers, allowing people to transfer their level 60 characters just like they planned. And even though they were going to let both of the original servers be independent from the newer ones, there's still room for argument wether the 2 older realms would have continued living or not. Do you seriously think that, after having everyone transferring/copying their characters to the newer servers, there would be anyone left playing on the older ones? About Legacy Servers, I have no idea how you came to that conclusion after reading "I won't play TBC if I can't transfer my character from Vanilla", but it doesn't really make much sense either to me, maybe you can further argument your statements so that they don't look like just random sentences.

I literally have no idea how in the world I ended up giving you the impression that I don't care about Darrowshire. You said this yourself: "As a Darrowshire player i prefer a merge (more players, more fun) than leave my geared lvl 60 unused". To my understanding this means that you'd rather have your character merged instead of leaving it there unsused. Then I posted something where you only quoted the very first sentence without mentioning anything else written on it. In that first part I stated my personal idea and explained once again that there's a lot of people playing on Darrowshire because of the ganking issue. In the end I basically just said why, in my honest opinion, merging is a bad idea (but keep in mind, I would be happy to follow whatever options you guys from Darrowshire want, I personally wish this problem to be fixed for both Anathema and Darrowshire). You then accused me of not caring about Darrowshire without quoting anything else from my other post. There I explained (once again, IN MY HONEST OPINION) what would be the ideal outcome, which would be to just wait for Elysium to catch up to Anathema, merge them and give the players of Darrorshire the option to transfer (which is what you said you preferred: "As a Darrowshire player i prefer a merge (more players, more fun) than leave my geared lvl 60 unused"). We both want to achieve the same thing here, and that is to have a better experience in game by having a healthy server to play on, and I truly hope such a thing happens for both Anathema and Darrowshire, not just Anathema. Would you be kind enough to explain where and how I only showed interest towards Anathema and gave Darrowshire no thoughts at all? This is not even sarcastic or anything, I genuinely want to know how I managed to receive such a response from you.

I wouldn't mind merging Darrowshire with the other servers aswell, the problem lies with a portion of the Darrowshire community. Some of them play there for the PvE status, some don't. Because of this, a merge in this case can really only do more harm than good. In my honest opinion, this is the ideal outcome: The staff announces a future merge between Anathema and Elysium when they are on the same content patch, freezing progression on Anathema at the same time. Wait for Elysium to catch up to Anathema. Merge Anathema and Elysium (and maybe rename it to Elysium PvP? seems optional but I don't care about the server name anyway). Open transfers from Darrowshire to Elysium PvP for those players that wish to play on a more populated server and do not care about the PvE status. Point number 4 could use some changes, since it could literally just kill the server completely by doing that. It just seemed the best compromise since there are both people who don't want to get ganked and people who want to play on a more populated server. Does this look like an acceptable outcome for you?

By saying that you are assuming that any of the vanilla servers will actually still be playable as soon as a TBC server gets released. The glory of those servers will disappear anyway, you don't need transfers for that (papa Elysium taught one us thing: a new server will always kill the older ones. HINT look at Anathema after Elysium got released). This is the same over and over though. Just because you did not spent time and effort on any of your characters, it doesn't mean transfers are useless and shouldn't be done. A lot of people, including me, would love to keep their characters after clearing the whole vanilla content for multiple reasons, such as having all those items you really worked hard for, mounts or any kind of rare item. Even keeping the gold would be a thing. And no, just because you don't have the gold, it doesn't mean no one shouldn't have any. I also really feel like that some players are against transfers from Vanilla to TBC just because endgame raiders have stuff that they themselves don't. Why is everyone being so selfish? Talking about how healthy a server would be without transfers just blows my mind. It reminds me of the times where Anathema was about to relaunch: there were literally tons of people asking Elysium to not give our old Nostalrius characters back even though they were already getting their own new fresh realm. Oh and by the way, you can sign me up on the list of players who WILL NOT PLAY TBC if I can't transfer my character. You might be one of those who love TBC, but to me it's still inferior to Vanilla (and please don't come back at me saying "then stay Vanilla". No, If I cleared everything up to Naxxramas then I'd rather transfer my character to TBC or I can just stop playing if I can't do that, without even making a big deal out of it, I don't care).

Accelerating the content release on Elysium is indeed an option, but as long as the staff does not say a single word about what they are going to do, it won't work out no matter what. We don't really need any more suggestions about what should be done, since it's also pretty damn obvious what needs to be done. Instead we just need to hear what their intentions are for Anathema (and Darrowshire) in the future, because right now it just looks like they don't care in the slightest what happens to it, as if Elysium is the only server that really matters to them (I'm sorry but this is the impression I'm getting). Even if they choose any of the suggested options in this topic but decide to not say anything (probably to make a big surprise), Anathema will still die pretty soon because more and more players will get the feeling that it's a sinking ship, making a merge pointless since there'll be no one left to merge. Announcing that they have any plan for Anathema should keep the ship from sinking any further or at the very least, slow down the process, thus making a future merge actually worth doing. About Darrowshire players, I can't really see what could be done to help them out. There's literally a vast majority that only plays there just for the disabled PvP. If you go check the Darrowshire section and read their thread about this issue, you will see comments about how a merge with Anathema or Elysium would literally make them quit the game. The only way then would be to make the Darrowshire players keep their PvE status even when on a PvP server, but I don't even know if such thing is possible.

I think you missed my point there. I am not trying to make Anathema's population higher or save Anathema at all, it's beyond saving. What I'm trying to achieve here is simply giving the few players left on Anathema a reason to keep on playing. The population has decreased to a point where the gameplay has been affected negatively and there is no going back from here. It's only going to get worse, and I think we can both agree on this. Now, my point is that by announcing a future merge between Elysium and Anathema as soon as they are in the same content patch, it won't make the players think they're wasting their time by playing on Anathema. Most of them will just keep on playing and wait till the merge day happens. On the other hand, if the staff doesn't say anything (or even worse, if they say they will not merge them ever), the bleeding will just continue until Anathema dies completely. If there are any flaws in my thinking then please enlighten me about them.

Once again I completely agree with what you just said, most of the options will indeed result in upset players, be it one side or another. Because of this, the aim here is to probably find the solution where the least number of players get upset, which is going to be relatively high with any current option. As I said already, I really think that all we need is the staff to communicate with us about this problem some more. If their plan is to actually merge Anathema and Elysium as soon as they are on the same content patch, then it needs to be said. There is a difference between "playing without knowing what will happen to my server" and "playing while waiting for the servers to be merged, just like they announced". Am I being optimistic too by thinking that most players will actually continue playing (and also stop the bleeding process in the meantime) on Anathema if this were to be the case?

Yes, we know you don't care about what happens to Anathema like any other typical Elysium player, but that doesn't mean this is not worth talking about. There have been some cool suggestions on how to fix the problem and all we really need is the staff to communicate with us. Just because you aren't the one that has to deal with a bleeding server does not mean it has no meaning and shouldn't be addressed, the world doesn't revolve around single individuals.

I fully agree on this. Anathema can't wait that much time, it'll just get shutdown due to extremely low population before any kind of merge or transfer is made possible. However, this is only the case where the staff does not say a single word. Their silence on this stance is what bothers me most. In fact, I'm fairly sure Anathema would be able to wait that much time and not die out until a merge/transfer if they communicated their intentions with us. I, for one, wouldn't think of stopping to play on Anathema at any point if I was given assurance that it would actually get merged in the future. On the other hand, that is something which I might consider to do if they don't say anything. There is also another option but I'm fairly sure no one suggested it cause they (just like me) think it's stupid: merge Elysium into Anathema (I don't like this either, but since we're here, might aswell consider everything).

Uhm, mi sembra di intromettermi a dire una cosa del genere, però quando hai parlato di realmplayers mi sono incuriosito e ho guardato anche io... solo a me sembra strano che abbia svariati pezzi blu per il livello 19 con degli enchant livello 60 piazzati sopra? Anche perché la maggior parte degli oggetti indossati me li ricordo e sono parecchio costosi all'asta, non è qualcosa che ci si può permettere a quel livello...

Il fatto di dividere i player per tipo (casual/social, secondo pg, raider, super raider ecc) è una cosa utile da fare in qualsiasi tipo di gilda che almeno punti a fare i raid in un futuro, non è importante se tra 2 settimane o tra mezzo anno. Non c'è bisogno che la gilda sia seria o hardcore, anche perché aiuta tutti a capire bene quante persone ci sono di ognuna di quelle categorie (non ci vedo seriamente nulla di male nel marchiare le persone in quel modo, se uno vuole giocare casual e vuole solo fare il social è comunque il benvenuto e non gli punterò mai il dito, ma è giusto anche avere un'idea su quante persone non si può fare affidamento per i piani futuri (e qua specifico FUTURI, tra MESI, visto che do sempre l'impressione di voler fare le cose entro 2 settimane), proprio perché esistono anche le persone opposte che vogliono e/o possono fare i raid). Ognuno è libero di andare dove vuole e giocare come e dove vuole. Questa è una frase su cui concordo pienamente e spesso sono io stesso a dirla (vedere l'altro thread), però tante volte la gente non si rende conto che "facendo quello che vuole" fa spesso un dispetto non solo al prossimo ma anche a se stesso (sono dei casi rari, ma succedono). E sia chiaro, non sto dicendo che sta succedendo ora in questo momento (però non nascondo che possa essere successo in passato, qualche mese fa), voglio solo dare uni'dea di come la vedo io. Comunque mai stato druido, su Nostalrius probabilmente ti ricordi di me per il rogue che usavo negli Italian Job, gli altri 2 pg stavano nella mia gilda attuale.

Ho fatto questo discorso fin troppe volte, non ho voglia di rispiegare la stessa cosa all'infinito ad ogni nuovo arrivato. Come ho già detto ognuno fa quello che vuole e io personalmente rispetto la scelta del prossimo (e mantengo anche un tono civile), vedremo se con il tempo scoprirai qual'è il vero problema. Ti auguro che la gilda funzioni, un saluto ;)

Penso di aver visto questa scena un numero di volte imbarazzante un po di mesi fa quando si cercava di convincere la gente a cambiare server/fazione così da riunire tutti gli italiani. C'è chi vuole giocare nel server PvE perchè "così non mi gankano", c'è chi vuole giocare lato ally perché.. boh, la mia mente non riesce a inventare nessuna possibile ragione per andare a giocare in ally, e c'è chi vuole giocare dove vuole perché ognuno fa come vuole e non ascolta mai il prossimo. Per quanto sia assurdo, è così... e questa è solo una prova di quello che ho provato a spiegare con il mio post nel thread Italia. L'unica cosa da fare è rispettare la scelta del prossimo, mi auguro solo che siano una gilda che non ha nessun obiettivo in mente, visto che se il loro obiettivo è quello di raidare, temo avranno una brutta sorpresa in un futuro non troppo lontano. Buona fortuna, nuova gilda ally 'Gli Alcolizzati'.

Come prima cosa, io gioco su Anathema e non Elysium. Anche volendo, non potrei farlo... l'unico modo sarebbe facendo transfer Anathema -> Elysium, cosa impossibile in quanto hanno già confermato più volte che una cosa del genere non succederà (sia mai eh, magari cambiano idea un giorno...). Ma anche in caso di transfer o merge, penso di aver già dato il mio, e anzi forse più di quello che avrei dovuto. Il rischio di vedere tutta quella fatica buttata via (e vedere anche gente sputarci su alla fine) è poca. Per quanto riguarda l'aspetto social, chiaramente sono benvenuti anche loro e tutto quello che vuoi, però vedila dal punto di vista di uno che ha voglia di raidare: legge il tuo post e pensa "80 persone? non male, i raid si fanno, entro anche io!". Al momento della verità, si scopre che 3/4 delle persone sono casual e non vogliono raidare (ho sparato un numero, voglio solo fare un esempio), scoprendo quindi che in realtà i raid saranno impossibili. Bisogna differenziare il tipo di persone, per rispetto verso tutti.

Faccio la premessa di non voler fare il guastafeste o nulla di simile, ma credo che con quei numeri si farà fatica a fare anche Zul'Gurub (è già uscito su Elysium o no? boh). Te lo dico per esperienza, immagino abbiate già letto i miei vecchi post enormi quindi non rientro nel dettaglio, ma nonostante ci siano stati picchi di persone online che arrivavano anche a 30-40 in alcune giornate (parlo sempre degli Italian Job, gilda morta), si faceva fatica a far partire i raid da 20 (per non parlare dei raid da 40... mai riuscito a farne partire 1). La gilda era numerosissima, e difatti quando si guardavano i numeri, si poteva tranquillamente pensare che i raid da 40 si sarebbero fatti senza nessun problema. La realtà però è ben diversa, in quanto c'erano fin troppe persone che: Non gli interessava minimamente di raidare per X motivi (non sono importanti quali). Giocavano solo per la compagnia in modo casual estremo e quindi senza mezzo obiettivo in mente. Potevano raidare SOLO nelle giornate più improbabili, non riuscendo quindi a trovare ALMENO un giorno di compatibilità. Spariscono nel nulla all'improvviso, trovandoti quindi senza quel tank o healer su cui facevi estremo affidamento. Ora io non so se vi siete già assicurati in che categoria appartengono le persone nella vostra gilda, ma vi consiglierei di non farvi illudere dai numeri. La cosa peggiore è proprio pensare di essere arrivati a poter fare qualcosa per poi trovarsi metà di quelle persone a non voler/poter contribuire. Detto questo, vi posso solo consigliare di continuare a cercare gente nella speranza di arrivare ad un numero sufficientemente elevato di persone in modo da tappare i buchi nel caso ci siano individui che rientrano nella categoria menzionata sopra. Sono abbastanza sicuro che c'è qualche superstite attivo (probabilmente in altre gilde però) degli Italian Job su Anathema, ma temo che non sarà facile convincerli dopo la recente esperienza. La cosa migliore su cui potete puntare è il continuo pescaggio dei nuovi arrivati sul server e portarli da voi prima che decidano qualsiasi cosa. Fare molta pubblicità in giro potrebbe portarvi qualche altro player interessato a stare tra italiani (non so se la state già facendo o no ma dovreste). Come ultima cosa voglio sottolineare che vi sto dicendo tutto questo in quanto avete esplicitamente espresso il desiderio di fare i raid, altrimenti i miei sarebbero solo discorsi a vuoto: se si gioca per stare in compagnia è un conto (anche se personalmente ammetto di non capire il senso di giocare a un gioco come questo se poi non c'è il minimo interesse nel fare anche l'end game, saranno gusti...), se si ha un obiettivo importante come quello di raidare bisogna organizzarsi bene e portare la giusta serietà ed impegno. Buona fortuna.

Dopo aver letto il tuo post mi sono messo a cercare l'annuncio dell'apertura dell'open beta, ma dopo aver cercato nel forum di crestfall gaming, non ho trovato nulla a riguardo. Anzi, nella sezione "announcements" (e più in specifico, nel thread "Beta Signup Announcement") non ho trovato nulla a riguardo di una open beta. Secondo gli ultimi post di quel thread, sono ancora in closed beta. Hai qualche fonte/link riguardo le informazioni che hai fornito? Sono molto curioso di vedere come sta crescendo questo progetto, anche se personalmente tendo a non fidarmi quando si parla di "wow senza nessun bug" (mi sembra un pensiero molto ambizioso e improbabile, quello che bisogna guardare è quanti bug effettivi ci sono nel server e quanti di questi vengono sistemati). Sono abbastanza sicuro di non essere bravo io a cercare, motivo per cui ti chiedo gentilmente di passare le fonti di ciò che hai scritto. Non nascondo il fatto che crestfall mi da molto l'impressione di essere corecraft 2.0: il server può anche avere il potenziale più alto di sempre, ma se esce quando sarò vecchio mi serve a poco.