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What is the PvP grind like on a PvE server and with lower population?

Cool video, and quite informative for the most part. However, you really over value Alcors. @Undertanker gave the evidence to support why tanks should use a slower weap. If you claim that everything you do is "chasing realm stats" then pop on over to realm players and brows the lists of tanks from Anathema. There's a reason no one uses 1.3 weapons anymore and I think that there is plenty of evidence and validation to support this. The spec and you gave while it might be mind blowing or revolutionary to some is old news to many of the other top tier tanks. Like @Sulf pointed out, try going even further down the fury tree. It's odd because I agree with your overall philosophy of rage/tps>mitigation however you seem again to really devalue how important hit is. Hit cap should be the number 1 stat any tank should prioritize first, especially as like you said, you have r14s in your guild pumping out crazy damage. Then stam>crit>def etc. Increase the critical strike damage BONUS of your abilities. 20% increased damage? How bad at math are you

yellow cap is 5% i believe while white cap is like 8.5%ish (talking 1h here). Hit is still the same though, their caps are just different (and easily reached btw, with many people reaching max hit, so not sure what the first false comment was about either). Both Weapon Skill and Normal hit is not about increased chance to hit, but only decrease the chance a white or yellow miss (But im not sure exactly how Weapon Skill affects hit or the hit% completely other than interpreting it like OP) So my original point(s) still stand 1. I agree with OP because that's how i've interpreted it (not saying its right and someone can confirm or deny) 2. 305 weap skill is automatically reached with Human/Orc and i was only saying you can reach the required hit you need and focus on other stats without getting caught up on those 2 races (Since it's their weapon skill that influences people usually picking those races and the topic of so many forum posts). Cool topic though, i'll wait for the smarter guys.

bump.

Not really the point of what i was saying...but thanks for the contribution?

I'll let one of the smarter math guys answer this, but that's how i've always interpreted it myself, having 305 is almost like having 3% hit in some ways, (Having said that you can easily reach max hit with gear and still focus enough on all other core stats so don't get caught up on Humans/Orcs)

To be fair, you do have thrash-blade, and duel-wield is more fun. So go for it, it's not huge differences.

Run ZF and get http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=9372 good for Fury. Stop dual-wielding and Use Kang.

It's happened to me too, started over the weekend and i too have at&t. Something specifically about at&t, as if they weren't shitty enough already.

I agree with everything you just said, and i think min-maxing is a great way to push oneself. It plays a big role with myself. I just think it is over-rated when it comes to racials. That .61% could be due to better min-maxing in itemization and a better rotation/skill cap, other factors within the encounter/raid itself etc. It can't only be due to Bloodfury which is such a minimal AP gain anyways. On paper yeah Human/Orc is better, but you still need the perfect gear and set up and things have to go your way, and it may help, but it won't help on every fight and on every instance run. Itemization and skill along with random factors within any given run/encounter will trump it. I love forum posts dedicated to discussions about min-maxing and what is the best here and there, but the racials, even for a hardcore player do not justify one over the other unless you simply wanna compare stats and theories on paper.

http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/Ranking.aspx?Bosses=0B0C0D0E0F0G0H0I&realm=Ana oh my god... is that a gnome second in overall dps? (not even using edgemasters) and a NE in 12th? woah! how?? Oh yea, because theory crafting never takes into account skill and chance. IF and only IF every single thing goes to plan and that person executes to perfection then yes, a Human/Orc will be slightly better... because every player is perfect and every run is perfect, right? Yes there are more Humans/Orc in the top 50+ but that's because everyone goes around talking about them being the best so everyone chooses them (and they are the iconic races). If more people just choose the classes they liked there would be a lot more race diversity at the top. You're talking slight %s here that hardly ever works out due to so many unforeseen events. Its a game, not an excel spreadsheet where all the numbers line up perfectly. Same for tanking, people used to think Tauren or NE were the best, now brows every warrior sub-forum and there's a debate for every single race and argument for and against each because there are so many different situations where there is no one best race, its all skill and then based on itemization. Racial Min-Maxing is ridiculous.

Nice informative post as usual. Curious why you would still be running 140 def though? It's overkill, couldn't you use more hit or run the modified impale spec with imp taunt/sunder and just loose 10 points on def?

Literally look up his name on relam players, or again, read other forum posts in the warrior sub reddit. you can disagree but for some new guy with barely 10 posts calling him out like that. wow lol.

Are you for real? scroll down and brows some other topics dude

You answered your question.

Arms would help more with PvP because of tactical Mastery, Imp charge and Overpower help too. Best option really is getting R3 and buying Insignia of the Horde/Alliance. have the best 2H possible, pray you don't miss and get a crit. Fury is still fine though for pvp at those lvls, but more rng dependent and less surviveability. But lol yeah. we get kited a lot. need to try and get the jump on them

haha yeah, people aren't thinking, or not reading info posted past 2 posts in the sub-reddit. And lol yeah, it is a beautiful sword to have and actually not that bad for threat, every tank should get one, just cause :P (although honestly not necessary, guess it just depends on your tanking philosophies) . And IF is one of the best weaps. to have even with nerfs and a great feeling to have once it drops. Deathbringer/Crul'shorukh should be sought after for tanking though. BiS is r14 swords/axe but that's a grind for the select few lol

Its amazing how almost every tank on Ely is still using a dagger. Go check realm stats. Do you guys even read the forums or patch notes? Ony isn't that hard to kill, you could get deathbringer... or like almost any other slow weapon with decent stats. Even if DM was out, you don't need Quel, its a mitigation weap. you could use on like 2 bosses.

This. Omg this. how do people still cry and say "when or if the population goes down". Nost only got more popular and this launch just shows how popular this project is. Where do you "merge" and "anti-4th server" cry babies get you ideas from. I mean it could happen due to unforeseeable future events, but not because people loose interest or "cant level to 60" and again, what is with the obsessions of having to play with 10k+ people all crammed like sardines in a can fighting over one mob? The biggest servers on vanilla didn't even have half that size. This is the best news for the whole project so far and anyone who doesn't understand this... thank god you're not on the dev team.

You're right if they announced this months after Elysium. It's a week later, 6 days actually with half the population under lvl 20 or not even have been able to play yet. If they didn't launch another server, MAYBE the queues would go down eventually.... but you're basically not allowing anyone with a work schedule or any other life activities to play on that realm and force them to move on to something else OR everyone just figures out the Queue times, log on before work and sit in there for hours or afk at char select for hours with the problem never being fixed and not addressing the fact the realm already has to many players anyways. Ive repeated this like 5 times today throughout the forums. These servers were never intended for 10K+ population, the literal world itself is too small. You can increase the cap slightly but once you go over 8-9K is just a cluster fuck and definitely not "blizzlike" in any way. Im glad the populations will now be spread. That's perfect, and there's no reason or evidence to suggest it will decrease.

Fair enough about the point on Unique players, chill though.... My point still stands and don't really get what you're worried about honestly. Like what's your point, you still can't refute the huge player base it has now and the gaining popularity. the funny thing is i can't believe im defending this project so much, im not even that big a fan, but im being real.

It had a consistent player base over 9-10K 24/7. Since relaunch it has grown twofold. I guess the fact that every dedicated 60 as at least 1 if not more bank alts, plus regular lvling alts, plus twinks..... great statistics. It also gained tons of popularity in the months before it shut down, leaving many people stranded in the lmiddle of lvling.

Why do people assume most people won't reach 60 and people will quit and leave? What evidence do you have? all i see is a 4th realm, 2nd in a week for one project. Original Nost started with only a couple thousand then reached to over 10k online 24/7. Now look where they are. With the relaunch and popularity it continues to grow, filling up reddit and other sub forums yet you cry just like all the other people who said Nost would die and who wants to play vanilla. You have the same mentality as "You think you do, but you don't." Im not even the biggest fan of Elysium/Nost, there have been better projects and better future ones. But be real.

Yeah i want to say thanks as well, i was just hoping for some news, didn't expect it to open so soon. can't wait.

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