cybaster

https://www.reddit.com/r/wowservers/comments/7aiauv/everyst_db_hacked_emails_and_pws_leaked_on_discord/ https://www.reddit.com/r/wowservers/comments/7aicvx/everyst_stored_passwords_as_plaintext/ https://www.reddit.com/r/wowservers/comments/7aig0o/everyst_statement_on_wreathes_behalf/ I'm convinced it was a prank to begin with, and that includes the song and dance about imposters - all one team of japesters, and this is simply the punchline of a running joke.

Yeah, about that...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

I Hope I can be a paLightdin.

Why do you WANT to prevail? Here? You are a revenue source to these people, not a human being. You exist to be lied to, exploited, and generally used as part of a cash scam. What is there to prevail over?

I believe sweeping abuse and exploitation under the rug is exactly what an abuser and exploiter would want us to accept.

Stockholm.

Not possible. The only evidence of this that doesn't require an individual to employ common sense to accept, would be direct quotation from former-Elysium staff turned LH, who you regard as liars and thieves. Moreover, I see no point in lecturing you about the impossibility of simply discarding Nostalrius' overwhelming contribution to the code-base Elysium's so-called "Anathema" core uses as its foundation to this very day. I won't go on about how this could not be done without a complete character wipe and a half-year long retooling of the servers and a rollback of every change made to the code since, of which there were countless, because... I could sit you down in a room with computer science majors and field experts who would explain why all of this is true but you would still claim evidence has not been presented because you have a caveman brain incapable of recognizing the existence of anything you can't hold in your two useless hands. I will have to be satisfied that readers of this conversation with even a tiny understanding of how code is modified and changes are pushed will immediately recognize that you are overwhelmingly, perhaps even willfully, ignorant of the most basic and important knowledge points necessary to understand what all went down here.

Ah, so now you're lying, too. Or you're ignorant of what actually went down. Unfortunately, I don't think correcting killerduki-level ignorance is within my capabilities, so we're at an impasse for the time being.

That's reaaaallly not true, though. They got their code/db from Nostalrius. Nostalrius gave it to them because Elysium straight up lied to Nost's team about what they planned to do with it. Nostalrius has stated that they do not approve of Elysium's abuses. If I said I wanted to borrow your gun to go hunting, and you agreed to this, and I then took the gun and robbed people in an alley with it, and refused to give it back when you asked, would you consider my actions to be moral? Would you think the gun belongs to me?

Oh man. Dukey calling people out for double standards. Hey Dukey, remember that one time we had this conversation and you tried to place Elysium's flagrant betrayal of their agreement with Nostalrius over the usage of Nost's code/db on higher moral ground than LH pillaging that same code to set up a server that actually tried to adhere to the agreed plan? You're the conversational equivalent of one of those kids who refuses to acknowledge taking hits when playing with toy guns. Nobody likes to play cops and robbers with the kid who incorrectly thinks he's bulletproof.

You crack me up, Dukey. When you post I'm at least guaranteed a smile.

Ignoring the fact that Nostalrius came out and said they couldn't condone Elysium's actions. They went so far as to say it was a betrayal, more or less. Your good guys deceived their benefactors, in essence stealing Nostalrius' code to use as a cash scam, completely betraying the purpose and spirit of the code and database transfer. If that isn't theft to you, you're morally retarded and have a scrambled brain and/or soul.

Listen, pal. My uncle works for nintendo and he says it's a major concern for the game boy devs. One minute some kid is catching mew under the truck, and the next - BLAMMO - his precious save file is cooked from orbit by the reptilian liberal agenda. The community is sick of this kind of thing. What. Are. Your. Plans???

Enjoy powergrinding into MC to be killed by bought 60's with bonereaver's edges, you fools. It happened before, it'll happen again. There's no such thing as fresh here. Everything is spoiled.

Sure, but what are you going to do about reptilian interference? Their ships have frap-ray EMP capabilities and can scramble goldshires through lead casings.

Ahaahahah. Oh my god. But almost a year of exploitation and playerbase abuse at every conceivable level is cool. Get outta' town, man.

I think it is beyond the capabilities of this community at large. That is not a statement specific to Elysium, but a statement related to the vitriolic wants of this player-base and of the shifting loyalties and motivations of the people who organize and run these servers. Even a project like this one, recognized as successful by a large number of people, has at times barely held together. I can't imagine a WoW private server community having the stability and endurance to push an original content development cycle even if people wanted it. Which they generally don't.

Glad to hear it. This directly solves a major concern for players of both cores.

As I will be leaving Elysium, someone else will need to reincarnate this thread, and assume this silly role. PM me if you decide to do this and need help recreating the links. Let's get this server off to a minimum-bullshit start. This is a thread dedicated to consolidating reports of grievous ninja looting and exceptionally disruptive, non-hilarious same-faction griefing. The GMs don't handle things that the community can take care of. If you know a dirtbag who deserves a spot in this server's hall of shame, you'll need to provide damning evidence of wrong-doing. That includes: Visual evidence, including but not limited to screenshots or videos of the deed Testimonials from fellow victims Chat logs to provide context that shows the incident to be a deed most foul You really need all three of these things to build a decent case. A screenshot of somebody looting something doesn't tell a complete story. Similarly, three people claiming something with no material evidence is unacceptably weak. You're not trying to convince me. I'm not important. You're trying to convince the community at large - anyone who reads this thread, really. For those of you new to the community policing game, here's some things to keep in mind: Guild business is resolved by guilds. If you were invited to sub for MC and they decided you didn't deserve anything, too bad Similarly, when it comes to fighting over world bosses, anything goes Anything horrible the opposing faction is allowed to do to you under the rules of the server is both LEGIT and GOOD Anything horrible your own faction does to you that is particularly hilarious or original might just be recognized as WONDERFUL If people decide they want to make use of me in this fashion, I'll keep an eye on the thread, the conclusions people come to in it, and maintain a list of community-recognized crooks at the top. If you think I'm not up to the task, feel free to do better! THE BLACKLIST IS AS FOLLOWS: Beerwizzard - BoE Need seller. (He's a mage.) Rolled need on stockade pauldrons in LBRS in front of hungry tanks desperate to equip it. Proceeded to taunt everyone about this afterwards. Qhole - BoP Need Abuser Mage needs a Dragon's Call and wins. The drop rate on that thing is like 0.0001%, and it has one of the coolest on-hit effects in the game. Ratstick - BoE Need seller Rolls need on BoE blues to sell over people who want to use the item. Says flat out that he'll do this for epics, too. Vicy - Ninja Looter. Clear and visible screenshot evidence of switching to masterlooter to take Thermaplugg's drops. Gnomeregan is serious busines Ascension - BoP Need Abuser Rogue, jacked some nice not-rogue BoP's from SM. The vendor loved them, but now the server doesn't love him. Twessel - Ninja Looter Switched to master loot for Mr. Smite, attempted to cover this change with chat spam. Wow! Deadmines! This is an important entry. Cassefoufoun - Ninja Looter Return of deadmines! Switched to Master Looter to jack a lavishly jeweled ring. Ertai - Ninja Looter Switched to master looter to hog the loot from SM Library. His desired drop didn't even appear, but he still jacked the goods. Toko - Ninja Looter Exploited FFA loot from The God Hakkar event in ST to snag one of the drops, against the wishes of their group. Disabled - BoP Need Abuser Angered by a fury warrior winning +40 AP +12 stam leather boots, Disabled retaliates by needing plate gloves. Your role dictates your loot just as much as your class does, bro. Stance - BoP Need Abuser Needs a Blazing Emblem, refuses to equip it, claiming he's going to give it to his bro. Then claims that he's not sure if he wants to use it or not. Then says he hates the guild of the person who he won it from, as if that was justification. Then privately admits he'd steal a Shadowfang from a rogue by needing it from them to sell.

Is pulling out, folks. So long, and see you on the next big server!

Recruitment is now permanently closed, as Hurricane as a guild is withdrawing from Elysium.

Hurricane is withdrawing from Elysium. Please remove our entry from the list. Thank you.

So that's it, huh? You've got nothing to say about, say, the security protocols that have led to this dire situation? I guess that's a statement in itself. Well, I won't bother anyone about it anymore.

Step #1. Remove all admin privileges, access, and powers from individuals who do not directly need these things to do their job. This is the most difficult step. VITALIY MUST BE CONVINCED, REGARDLESS OF GUILT OR INNOCENCE, TO SURRENDER POWERS HE DOES NOT NEED TO DO HIS JOB, WHICH AT NO POINT SHOULD INCLUDE UNBANNING PEOPLE, CREATING ITEMS OR GOLD, AND SO ON. Step #2. Revise access and visibility standards among the staff so that every staff member can see the activities of every other staff member, at all times. No exceptions. No one should be able to do anything without their peers knowing exactly what was done, and when. Logs of every Staff member, Admin, GM and CM activity should never be purged, should be backed up regularly, and should be easily searchable by every member of the staff. Step #3. Remove all "unofficial" project members from positions of power, and institute a zero-tolerance, 1 strike and you're out policy for abuses by staff members, admins, GMs and CMs. Include the creation of items and levels to "help staff members level and play when they're too busy to do it normally" as such an abuse. Retroactively remove anyone who violated this policy in the past, forever. Never allow violators of this policy to return for any reason. Step #4. Sacrifice, for no reason other than PR, the individuals stipulated in these leaks, and suspected by the Crestfall team of corruption. This has gone much too far to give people the benefit of the doubt. Step #5. Double-down on the policy of extreme transparency. You can no longer trust your own team to keep your meetings secret. Make them public. Your player base has been given good cause to distrust anything that goes on behind closed doors at Elysium. Open all the doors. Do it all or die. That isn't a threat. I can't do anything. I'm nobody. It's frank statement of reality, because: Real players do care.