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PPM in vanilla isnt the same as PPM when it was actually implemented, what U. is talking about is that the %procrate is adjusted to your weapon speed. Lets say a procrate for an enchantment is X ppm, a 1 sec swingtimer dagger would have a certain % chance to proc it per swing, whereas a sword with a 2 sec swingtimer would have double the chance of procing it per swing. PPM does not describe a guaranteed amount of procs per minute.The difference is important if you take instant attacks into account. If a tank uses an instant attack which procs crusader, the chance per swing still depends on your weapon speed, an instant attack with deathbringer will be more likely to proc crusader than an instant attack with finkles. The description "Crusader has an X ppm" basically means, if you solely auto attack, you will get an average of X procs per minute, if you use instant attacks you end up with a higher absolute number of procs. As stated above, instant attacks have the same chance for a proc per swing as white attacks (higher procrate per swing, the slower the weapon). Disclaimer: That doesnt mean I agree with U. when it comes to Deathbringer as a tanking weapon, even though its dps is great, I cant believe you will have so little rage income that you can barely use HS at all. But obviously if you are completely rage starved you wouldnt use HS, but sunder and benefit from the white hit to generate rage. If you reach that extreme point... yeah, all youd care for in a tanking weapon would be its dps (benefit from procs incalculated). Assuming Shield slam > Revenge > Sunder > HS, if you did HS > Sunder you would have even less rage due to the consumed white hit.

Well its still true, even if you dislike these hotfixes, thats no excuse to go further and further. Obviously its far from an accurate classic server, but that doesnt mean there is a freepass to change everything even more (its already half broken, lets hulk smash). Id argue that these hotfixes were somewhat needed because otherwise the game wouldnt work anymore (back in the day 1 guy did it, nowadays everyone does it). I guess it would be best if we didnt boost the target dummies hp, because I would be the next guy to ask them to increase their lvl to 61, 62, 63 if they did the first change .

Nobody can predict how long it will take to complete the war effort. I personally would have said 1-2 months before we can turn in items.

It was like 7 months on the old PvP server, maybe a week less or so, BWL has been out for quite some time, AQ40 is still far in the future, since AQ20 and the war effort will come first. On the PvE server, BWL was going to be released a week after shutdown or something among those lines. I wouldnt expect it to release right away when the servers launch, usually there are urgent unexpected things to deal with when launching a project. On the fresh server it might be less than the 7 months we had to wait on the old PvP server, nothing is confirmed yet, but I doubt they would cut it more than 2 months shorter if they cut it at all, which would make it a 5 months of mc farm at best (minus the time you spend lvling and farming). In vanilla, all content is current content, ZG has bis items and enchants for a long time, even in future conent, everyone needs the reputation, MC drops BiS items for furies, rogues, some are even endgame BiS and all T2 pants drop in MC. BWL will also have endgame bis items for many classes. It will be easy obviously, if you want to have a guild that has no clue what its doing and is undergeared, you can have that for a few weeks on the new server. At least the gear part, guilds will gear up pretty fast, guilds with skill issues you can always find on any server . I dont know how the situation will be on the old server, but when it was shut down there were guilds in all progression states, even some that just started MC. I guess there will be more than enough new lvlers on the old server aswell, so newly progressing guilds wont be hard to find, but thats just my guess.

Compared to a completely new server, they are obviously quite high, since every week, mobs are killed, raids are cleared, quests are completed, items are vendored so every week more and more gold is added to the game, in comparison, only little gold is spend on vendors, repairs, respecc, auction house fees, riding skills and so on. But prices being at a certain point doesnt really change much, the more inflated the server is, the cheaper the mounts and respecc costs are, since their price is static, the money you make increases with inflation. The stuff is more expensive but the things you farm and sell are more expensive aswell. On a new server its the same thing, the only difference is that the auction house is rather useless the first few weeks, since nobody really buys a lot. For exemple: Some people in my guild used to farm black lotus and sell them for 5-10g each to afford their epic mouint. I sold them a few months later for around 50g each, took me a lot less effort . The prices obviously went up further after that, since everyone has more gold.

I have mixed feelings. I would love to have target dummies with more hp or even with higher lvl, on the flipside, the quality of life improvement is true, even though it would only affect the 0.001% of the playerbase that would care for such empircal research. Currently you would need a tank, a healer and an uncontested Anachronos... multiple times.

Depends on how dedicated you are. If you are a casual player, you will probably ding 60 a month+ after ragnaros was killed the first time. Obviously you will get to farm MC for a long time before BWL comes out still, but the "catching up" game with the people who are ahead, will be pretty much as long as it would be on the old server where you can lvl up faster (less people) and make gold far easier (higher inflation every week with more and more gold from mobs/raids flowing into the economy), faster consumables, enchants, mount. Gear is never a problem, you get it faster than you can enchant it if you only aim for that, if not then you can join a guild that is only in MC, there were guilds in all progress states. And every content is current content btw. All guilds will clear everything weekly, pugs will clear everything weekly. The upside of playing on the new server would be that you can for exemple be part of a completely new guild that has just been formed where nobody holds a certain rank, you can make gold by playing with the market if you know vanilla content and patches rather good and obviously, if you are a dedicated player, you can get ahead right at the start.

If its about the lvling experience, all dungeons were occupied 24/7, even when you are lvl 60, you arent guaranteed to have a raid geared person in your group unless you run DM tribute or strat living, something that is done on a daily basis for buffs/gold. If you want to do everything from scratch, the fresh server is the obvious choice, but if you want to make gold faster and not progress through all of mc and bwl again, you can catch up in no time if you are a good player and apply to a decent guild. As for the worldpvp events on fresh servers... I guess we will all join these, even if not everyone lvls all the way to 60 . I hope those kind of lvl 20 raids happen on both launches, old and new.

Nano confirmed himself that the troll racial will be working on launch. Sounds like you want to play shadow priest? Id rather try undead in that case.

Dont wanna sound rude here, but if you love twinking, you should know that planning your way ahead is a major part of creating a twink. Which quests can you do, which items will you get when, what lvl will you need to do X or Y... Its not simply lvling up to 19 and turning your xp off. +1 to the half-tank

Rarely seen a thread that wasnt lifted up by Pottus presence or interference. Can you make a specific exemple? Usually its simply a "cut the spam" edit when its spam or "take off your tinfoil hat" when someone comes out with a false conspiracy concerning the project or "cut the insults" when slippry is at it again. Or well... locking threads that demand lower respecc costs . I didnt see him interfere him somewhere before there was a risk of people coming to that place for the off-topic drama over the original purpose of the thread, which would have made further on-topic discussion impossible. But Im not here to over-defend someone, just post your exemples please.

<9 idiots signed this> Kommt drauf an was für eine Art Halbgott du bist .

Same rules as for nostalrius? So we still wont be able to multibox our main and a portal mage in kargath to reach capital cities as horde? Since alliance can have their HS there generally.

High population is pretty much what made nostalrius unique compared to other classic projects. However, anything beyond 5k people online will pretty much allow you to do anything at all times, all BG's, daily pugs, plenty of guilds and so on. Considering that the biggest vanilla servers had like 2.5k people online. Im quite sure either server will have more than 10k players online. I wouldnt mind the new server being three times as big as the old one aslong as the old one stays in the 10-12k range. Back when there were 15k peak on nostalrius, it really wasnt funny anymore at times. Imagine having to stand on top of 3 other players when afk'ing in capital cities... You couldnt even properly brag with your epics anymore, as people would only see a quarter of your toon.

Back then we waited 2 years for AQ release on Emerald Dream... Now we have a dozen crybabies who cant wait 3 more weeks for a project they didnt even know existed 3 weeks ago. How about you chill a little and let the community who made all this possible re-unite with their toons first? That includes the PvE server. Frankly, we waited a little longer than you.

Some people play wow vanilla for the community feeling, some seek for a good вау in goldshire inn, others fap to their e-penis dps (that would be me), a few just join in for the race to lvl 60, many just go for world pvp, for numerous individuals, its a thing to aim for server first kills, some love leveling, others hate leveling, people like pve servers, people like pvp servers, people like servers with more content out, people like servers with less content released... where was I and why does this thread exist?

Als hobbymässige Schlange sehe ich das wie Kollege Trijala, man kann durchaus mal auf mehreren Servern vorbeischauen. Die ersten 2 Wochen auf dem alten Server, weils da schon riesige world pvp events geben wird und dann wieder auf dem neuen. Wenn du dann nach 8 stunden /played endlich lvl 3 bist explodiert die innere Salzmine und du levelst deinen lvl 20er auf dem alten Server weiter (damals warens wirklich 12h+ für lvl 1-10 auf nost mit kaum 4k population). Aber wie bereits gesagt... Schlangenhafte absichten . PS: Nur Horde ja?! Nur Horde! Vanilla ist einfach genug auch ohne ally zu sein haha.

Its not like you are below every warlock, spriests are generally very dedicated players, there are a lot of spriests and only 1 per raid. That one guy is usually attending every single raid, has a pvp rank of 10 or higher, is a very reliable person and so on. The competition for the limited spots is real. When it comes to warlocks... not so much unless you are in one of the luckier guilds. Even if they might have a higher dps number, thats not everything worth rewarding.

Am 17. wenn ihr euch auf der dunklen Seite der Macht einloggt werded ihr es euch eh nochmal überlegen .

Maybe I level a toon up to 25+ on the fresh realm to take part in the huge wpvp raids in the early days, but clearing mc and onyxia again, farm all the reputations and gold and gear... no way. Why stop the journey and start new when it isnt half over yet.

Shhh... dont tell the op that a feeling of being rewarded is a thing if you actually put work into something.

Seriously Master Pottu... Let adults use adult words, nobody needs protection from a bad word that could hurt somebodys feelings. Please do that for us .

The time you waste by running to the respective capital city to learn the weapon skill could be used to lvl up to 10 already...

Fun fact: If you have a clue about mechanics, you dont get charged on mandokir as warlock. But honestly, rng can always kill you if you have less than 2k hp. A preraid bis clothie should be at around 2.3k, which can be right on the edge depending on your own playstyle and the progression state of your guild.

Beim launch sind alle dungeons ausser dire maul da, bei den raids nur MC und Onyxia, wobei Ony den kopf noch nicht dropt für ein paar wochen und majordomo in mc für ne recht lange zeit gar nichts. Bei den BGs sind es WSG und AB, die schon da sind. Dann kommen die worldbosse, erst azuregos dann kazzak. Und irgendwann um die Zeit werden die items gepatched und die allerlächerlichsten stats verschwinden Schliesslich kommt Dire Maul dungeon und damit endlich caster hit gear, ab dann können caster auch einigermassen schaden austeilen. Danach kommt Alterac valley, da steht momentan der alte PvE servers. Der nächste patch ist BWL, danach kommt ZG der kleine 20 man raid um leuten eine chance tu geben die kein erfolg mit 40 mann gilden haben um den gearnachteil locker ein wenig auszugleichen. Dann kommen 4 weitere worldbosse, die dragons of nightmare - nun sind wir beim alten PvP server angekommen. Der nächste Schritt ist dann das AQ gate, dann AQ20 und schliesslich endlich AQ40. Kann dir übrigens nur empfehlen mal ins vanilla wow wiki reinzuschauen bei den patchnotes, es kann sehr hilfreich sein zu wissen was als nächstes passiert, vor allem wenn du ein paar tausen gold machen möchtest mit investitionen