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It needs to have a slight delay so that if you crit with the auto-attack, the vengeance buff applies first and you get the benefit from it on the SoC proc.

Ye for me it's pretty clear, dwarf for pvp and human for pve.

You mean vengeance should/will reapply? ;P

"You have to keep in mind that Vengeance can't be reapplied while you are affected by it.A better alternative would be going for Reckoning instead. A mob has a 5% chance to crit you which will give you an extra attack that can also cause Seal of Command to go off." Vengeance gets reset every time you crit, doesn't matter if you already have it or not. No, SoC can only proc once per attack, additional white hits on the same swing cannot proc it again.

Did you measure or do you have any idea of how long you could dps before you went oom?

That's what I would've thought.

And .30 slower weapon speed

Yes, that's what I was talking about, that's just the talents.

I'm arguing because nobody has provided any concrete proof, just things that anybody can see if you take a min to look over the talent trees. That isnt definite proof if you don't know all the other factors that plays into dps.

Frostbolt does less base dmg than AM, how do i know that the frost steroids outweigh that?

I thought hunters were ccers mainly in pvp.

Can any of you tell me how viable the 2nd fury build is for raiding? I was told buy a guy in reddit that it's quite good because of the low hit % needed, compared to fury?

The only "proof" i got was "this is how it is, i know it because i know it, scrub"

if u wanna heal in serious progression raids i think u need to have atleast 5/5 holy power, but im not an expert on holy

Oh I'm sorry I doubted your greatness almighty lord of the mages.

Any of you guys have done lvling as first getting the balance talents from the healing spec and then going into resto to complete it? Is it very much slower than feral? If you lvl as it you would have a good starting point for gear at 60.

I was thinking in a premade situation, where you will have help.

fd+trap and counterattack isnt enough?

Have u tried? I meant on bosses, good thing with the spec I used is that you can get full imp blizzard for thrash. As I said earlier it won't because of how clearcasting works with channeling, but I was able to keep up with the frost mages on feenix where it was working differently.

So a hunter is taken to pvp for their dps?

Isn't barmans shanker better than heartseeker and those green daggers? Or is that an updated item?

there was no mention of daggers in this thread

no, atleast in mc/aq20 you can keep up with forst as arcane

So basically the answer is: in naxx?

Okey seems like its only meant to proc on the cast, most likely that makes arcane non-viable