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Hello guise, any of you have experience raiding with or as a "full" arcane mage (this spec http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#oixEbocquZbhhbc) and can tell me clearly why/how they are not viable in a non-hc raid enviorment (not casual eighter)?

Thats only after 1.9, before that t2 only have +healing.

1. With healing gear he should be able to heal any instance up to brd, later bosses in brd is prob going to be more of a challenge. 2. Use as slow of a 2hander as possible, because SoC proc chanse is dependant on that. Use JotC first and then SoC for dps. 3. Ofc not lol. 4. I'd say I use 60% for healing and 40% for dps/buff/debuff. 5. In pvp, retri excells at staying on target and bursting, but dont have alot of mana to spend on healing, unless you have pvp gear, which u ofc won't while lvling ;P

Best pre-raid wep for human paladin, xept TuF is http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=12796

I'd say yes, it's easy to get so no point not getting it, @300 skill, you need 8%hit for specials and 9% for white hits, thats lowered to 7/8% with 305 skill.

Holy can't dps, retri "dps" in pvp is good, because it's very good burst and you can't be slowed basically.

You can't do a tank/dps mix build.

Not sure what your point is here but elysium is supposed to be as blizzlike as possible so...

Lifestealing gives u more uptime on vengeance You should not gear like a warrior, you should gear like a retri pala. Hitcap is more important for retri than for warr, and crit is 2nd most important for retri while str/ap is 2nd most important for warr.

Theres no sp gear before 1.9, so in abit over 1 year on fresh servers iirc. Nightfall is shit on retri pala because uptime is bad compared to offtank or melee hunter. It is also a shit weapon in general for retri. 7-8% hit is enough, 7% for special and 8% for white. (Since you are a human using mace or sword, unless you get Neretzek, then you need 8-9%) You should have enough mana to be able to spam r1 conse which does 20dps with supreme power and greater arcane. You should use JoC between swins whenever its off cd and you dont have vengeance up. With full pre-raid bis gear on fresh server you should have ~750ap and ~26-27% crit iirc.

Manual Crowd Pummeler and Taran Icebreaker are shit.

Current scaling is 43% from sp, iirc.

To tank you have to have consecration.

Good for you, it's still shit. Yea, alot of wasted time from running and looking for grp, that can be spent lvling instead.

Verigans is not worth getting imo, you will only use it till you get Corpsemaker at 29, which is much better. Also grimlok's is shit, you're better off with Corpsemaker even.

Nightfall compared to The Unstoppable Force, which is pre-raid bis for retri: 10 less top dmg 0.3 faster speed 42 less ap 2% less crit It is much worse than even this easily obtainable weapon.

Smites hammer > Corpsemaker > Bonebiter > rockpounder/stoneslayer > IBS (if out) > Dreadforge retaliator Something like that

If you are healing you aren't dpsing, and holy can do about as good dps as a retri can heal, xept in 1.9 and on, sure in a 5man it's nice to have a dps that can heal also, but it's quite situational. In raids it's basically not an option.

What support are you talking about? Retri can't do any support that holy can't.

Well the 5 wep skill means you need 1% less hit from gear, which I think is significant enough that I'd never play dwarf if I knew I was gonna play retri.

Retri can't do anything to buff other dps that a holy pala can't already do.

Retri doesn't kill much faster anyway, but if you're prot you should pull atleast 2 mobs and use 1h+shield to take advantage of BoSac and holy shield.

If you lvl as retri and get the good weps for your lvl from instances, you should more or less never have to sit to drink, even without using wisdom.

I bind 9 to b

Just because you only play with elitist jerks doesn't mean the majority of players are that, I'll be making a thread with dps from all my raids when my guild starts, then you can see for yourself how "viable" retri is.