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If you're the MT your guild bank might cover a flask per week for you. If you're not you wont need it either way. Raiding, even for a casual guild will take no longer than 6-7 hours in total per week for BWL and MC/Ony. You would be fine with 15 hours /played per week.

Typically, at least for premade pvp, shamans run elemental instead of resto.

No, ignore slam altogether. Use MS and WW with SS.

Pull two mobs and kill them with sweeping strikes. Repeat.

Because they fixed rage gen from damage taken so that you're no longer 24/7 rage capped as a tank. The only reason you used the 1.3 daggers before was to spam heroic strike on every attack, this is no longer possible and thus tanks now want to use a high dps one-hander instead. For most this results in crul'shorukh being the weapon of choice.

They do respawn randomly on the map and the timer is dynamic.

bump

World first rag. Look at that fiery weapon top rogue. He doesn't even have slice and dice on his bars.

Elementals in Silithus grants rep up to honored. Therefore it's likely that they had a one or a few guys grind them from level 55+ or so. The logistical part is easily solved with summons and/or portals for a group that is going for this.

Hammersmith is useless. Go axe for Nightfall or armor for Lionheart.

Bump for some geared tryhard casters.

How should I know that you aren't quoting yourself from an earlier post? Citation marks doesn't mean anything in that context. You still refuse to give an answer to the real question I've posed to you twice though, so I guess we're done here.

I don't even know what you're saying anymore. I'm asking you why the r14 warriors aren't dominating all of the bosses. Now you say that "BWL weaps are not close to equal to r14" and in the same sentence "r14 weapons are not that much better". While on the last page you said that in BWL the r14 weapons make a huge difference in dps while in aq it doesn't matter much. So as you see, it's not that easy to follow your inconsistent messages. Maybe you need to do some "fact-checking" of your own.

How could any fight where you have to stand still for 20 seconds behind a pillar to reset stacks qualify as a "nuke fight"? That's just beyond me. Kronos player logic I guess. Anyway, all of this is beside the point. I've never denied that thay're stronger than PvE weapons, in fact, if you look at my posts I've mentioned it several times. You however have made claims that the weapons are so broken that they kill competition and makes it impossible for the ones that doesn't wield them to compete. This is what I adressed in my original post, you can look back if you can't remember. This has been proven false, by your own metric of top dps logs. The point I'm trying to get across to you is that the difference is way smaller than you paint it up to be. You like throwing around the "bis until naxx" phrase to put more strength into it I guess when the fact of the matter is that Naxx weapons aren't even comparable in power level because they're so much stronger. The other thing is that the difference between BWL and AQ weaponry is very slim in comparison to that between AQ and Naxx. If they were indeed so much vastly stronger than everything else available, wouldn't rank 14 warriors dominate all of the bosses? Or are they players just shit?

Wow. Nice cherry picking. I can do the same: http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverallOverview.aspx?FightName=Vaelastrasz the Corrupt&realm=NRB 3/5 top 5 warriors not rank 14, including #1 leading by 120 dps. http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverallOverview.aspx?FightName=Flamegor&realm=NRB Non r14 warrior leading by more than 100 dps #2. http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverallOverview.aspx?FightName=Shazzrah&realm=NRB None of the top 3 warriors has rank 14. http://realmplayers.com/RaidStats/FightOverallOverview.aspx?FightName=Nefarian&realm=NRB #1 and #2 that both are more than 50 dps over #3 does not have r14. Oh and btw. Don't even pretend that you chose those fights because they are "Nuke fights", because 3/4 you picked doesn't even qualify remotely as it. Geddon, Firemaw and Chromaggus all has mechanics that disturbs your dps. You chose them solely because they serve your purpose.

All warriors aren't human/orc. Like I said, there is a difference although it's alot smaller than you're making it out to be. Do I need to link you DPS rankings and point out who is r14 and who isn't?

This isn't true. The r14 weaps are obviously stronger than any other weapons you can find in BWL but strong enough to effectively "ruin competitive play for that class"? No chance. That would then mean that dps rankings would almost purely be made out of r14 characters I suppose, since there are like 80 r14 melees on the old realm. That is not the reality. http://db.vanillagaming.org/?item=21244 Better stats for an OH.

Still looking for some sweet CoR appliers.

People aren't even arguing to get the gear upgraded from the get-go though. At least that's not the point of view held by the PvP community at large. What people are pushing for is to get the gear upgrade in the zg patch which is at least 10 months after the servers release.

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Then why did you even bring up that it's from tbc if your intention is to miscredit all comments made from those earlier eras? Comments made from that time aren't neccesarily true but it's also one of few ways we have to actually access information that is purely based on retail vanilla and not peoples experiences from other private projects so while they might not be an absolute truth they do at least bear some weight and alot of data on all projects is based on just that.