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Look its simple class mechanics. I'm not making this up, the only efficient single target heal that a druid has (keyword efficient) is HT Rank 4. That's a 2s cast timer and heals for less than Heal R4 or a crit FOL max rank. I'm not saying druids CAN'T put up good numbers, but having more than 2 in a raid is wasted slots when you could be running more priests / paladins for their obvious additional benefits. To be perfectly honest if a druid is beating priests / paladins over the course of a raid it may indicate a proficiency in the druids skill and possibility the spec is more viable (see regrowth spec) ;however its more likely that the lacking factor is the main healing output in the raid is very weak for the assigned roles. That being said, the exponential increase in paladin / priest / shaman power is seen through AQ / Naxx so its entirely possible that druids are holding their own in the current state of the game.

Listen asshole, I was joking about Fith, if that wasn't painfully obvious. Just cause you think druids are all of a sudden top healers doesn't make it factual. RP is not the be-all-end-all of proofs for vanilla output raid viability. Meters can be spoofed easily, and posting or relying on healing meters to prove a point makes you look retarded. If you don't like the spec, keep casting regrowth and be happy. Claiming the spec sucks or is for pvp only just makes you look like an ignorant noob.

Good overview guide, gets my thumbs up!

Good luck to all fellow priests attempting to get Benediction!

Bolded is very true. I would argue that druids are irreplaceable as unexpected deaths do occur and mark of the wild with talents is an extremely potent raid buff. An ideal 40 man will bring 2, maybe 3 at max. - What attitude? I come to raid with friends who I've known for years not masturbate to MC clear times or max efficient healing on Broodlord Lashslayer lmao. They know I'm a good healer, I could give 2 shits about what some random thinks about my performance. Being "not a liability" means not being carried, buffing without asking and supporting other healers on the fly, vanilla is simple as it comes to raiding. When people bring Raid logs into a conversation is pretty laughable. - This sub par pvp spec can heal everything in the game in any role be it raid or tank and offers more defensive options for yourself and the group. You're downplaying it because you don't like it. Simple as that. I'll backpedal and say that perhaps its not the only viable spec, but it is, in my opinion far and away the best for a druid in all situations. Hence why I recommended it. - There's nothing new or innovative in this 12 year old game. Druids can't compete with Paladins, Priests or Shamans that have a brain. You're there to provide utility.

I stopped caring about meters ages ago. For healing especially it means little to nothing as healing done versus efficiency is completely relevant to those in your 40 man. If the boss dies and you're not a liability and doing your job it's really all inconsequential. I'm a team player boys. Besides I was carried by Fith, one of the best priests on the server. If you like playing regrowth, fine play it.

I was merely mentioning 8/8 T3 for proof of boss clear more than anything, regardless you're probably right I shouldn't have mentioned it. The thing that bothers me is trying to be "competitive" at all as a resto druid. It's a vain attempt at appearing on paper to be helping the raid. The fact is a priest and paladin (who are competent) will outperform any druid on MOST fights (exceptions do occur but are very rare). My argument against the "regrowth" spec is simply that the points spent can be put into far more effective places for overall druid success, even in a raid environment. It's personal preference really. I wouldn't play druid in vanilla without Shapeshifting reduction, Natures Swiftness, Natures Grasp, Swiftmend and Feral charge. In my opinion, these are the druid staple talents.

Not worth my time if you're gonna call me egotistic when providing factual information. GL to all aspiring druids, stick with the class it's well worth it!

8/8 T3 was for pure swagger, obviously I had many other pieces of gear that I could swap in depending on the fight requirements. The fact you used this as an insult proves you're grasping as straws. You claim "regrowth spec" is a thing, it's not. You're gimping your own utility to put up overhealing and lose mana. Moonglow, isn;t a spec, if you want to spam HT, roll a paladin with a faster and more efficient heal.

Then disregard what I'm saying, this is my opinion on the matter. There's no situation where regrowth becomes superior to HT + Rejuv unless you're blanket hotting tank OR have Swiftmend / NS on cd to not top a tank quickly. Not trolling. I won't even dispute that Feenix was a bad server, it's besides the point of this topic. If you think Regrowth has any bearing on a druids success in 40 mans than keep on keepin on champ.

We'll have to agree to disagree then, as regrowth as a skill is outright horrible and 0 point investment is required. I'm aware its a pvp hybrid spec, and that's all you need to raid as a druid effectively. Druid are in the raid to: A) Innervate on priest, b Battle Rez, C) Raid Buff D) Spam Hots / Spot Heal / Swiftmend(or)NS Snipe on low hp targets, E) Off-taunt to save the raid in emergency situations. Just by saying "you're wrong" doesn't make you right, this is my opinion on the matter with years of experience playing druid in all specs in 1.12.

The only viable end game druid spec is hot based Swift Mend. This is coming from an 8/8 T3 Druid from Feenix who's tried the feral dream relentlessly. Take it from me, druids are meant to heal. That being said, they're one of the most fun and skill-intensive class to master in the game. The best part of being Swift Mend is that you also gain access to feral charge and improved bash which pays dividends in both pve and pvp. Source character: http://realmplayers.com/CharacterViewer.aspx?realm=WSG&player=Stayclassy My recommended healing spec for raiding, (all tiers): http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#0zL0hZVMhoZvxcogq0o

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