Morathe

Its slightly angering for lowbies but its not done to piss you off as a main goal ;p all it has to do is bait high lvl hordies and have epic pvp.

mage vs warlock 50:50... now thats something... tells something about "average mafia skill level" LUL

They can be worth even 10 but as long as they lie down licking our boots i'm fine with that.

Hah Tyrgrim already tanking that фекал eh?

Yo. How reflectors are going to work on Elysium? Tell me its working as vanilla and reflects traveling spells like pyro, deathcoil if you activate reflector after they were cast. If you think they shouldn't could you provide valid patch notes stating nerf of it? because i remember pre 1.9 (when I was playing vanilla on retail) they worked like I described.

In vanilla, also on Nostalrius you could reflect traps but only single target ones so you can reflect freezing effect from freezing trap... technically you also should be able to reflect immolation trap but hunters rarely use them in pvp and even less people use fire reflectors so that would be hard to find how it worked in retail vanilla. But you can't reflect any of aoe traps like frost or explosive.

Funny thing once happened on pretbc.com server i played. When some1 used frost reflector to reflect hunter freezing trap and then hunter used frost reflector to reflect a reflect. The reflects would bounce between both players until one of their reflects ended and froze the guy. Talking about broken systems O_o In real world it would produce "immune" effect for both players and thats it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri4otugfny0 11:44 watch the poor gnome kill himself lel. But also watch how he removed iceblock before spell hit him... which directly add to theory that spells effects check for target status on cast not on impact, which would further prove that check for reflector happens at the end of cast thus making it impossible to reflect mid-air spells (minus that batch thing that made it "sorta" possible)

Ait so I feel like confident enough to say reflect was never ment to work on already cast spells but a batch thing made it possible to reflect spells cast at the same time, shortly before/after activating reflect. Do you think it would be nice to have system emulating that possibility? eg adding short window of time after cast when reflector would work? But not to the point when you could reflect spells that nearly touch your face already.

No on Nostalrius you could not reflect stuff already cast. Tested in duels with max range fireballs, shadowbolts, frostbolts and pyroblasts. The matter we discuss is if not being able to reflect mid-air spells is indeed "proper".

Ok after watching 3 parts of vurtne I wasn't able to find a clear shot. He either activated it before or just before cast ended / exactly when it ended (batch thing). I'm wondering then how is it working on elysium then? Its decided on who "was first" server side right? So it might appear that you activate reflector 0.1 second before cast ended but due to lag on your end (server lag) you might still not reflect it because there are no batch emulation in place correct? I remember on Nostalrius I was furious spamming that reflector and clearly seeing animation on me 0.5 or even more before some1 toss that coil at me and I'd still eat its effect. Anyway its still a good protection tool to use preemptively, if u're geared that 5 seconds of opponent not using their shadow spells is enough to destroy them.

There is a close call at 2:40 here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4bgggKMvQU Could be that batch thing mentioned before as it was really close again. I'm hunting for some long range pom pyro when its easy so see;P Guys go have a dinner outside of my thread, you can decide on who bends afterwards on pm's.

Duki with all respect, even tho we have our differences from Nost forums... you kinda bring that upon urself by saying фекал like "vurtne video is not valid". Seriously mate you need to re-evaluate what you're saying here and there. What that being said I still haven't found a clear video shot proving what I claimed to remember.

Could you post a video? I've watched vurtne 1 and 2 specifically hunting for those reflect moment but every time he activated it either before or like 0.1 sec before cast.

I'd still vote he activated it faster but it was like 0.1 sec difference. I mean to be completely honest usefullness of being able to reflect mid-flight spells would be narrowed down to max range pom pyro cast, coils with their rather short range would be already hard to reflect so its just more "for science" thread than anything else. Btw I'm digging vurtne videos and check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgV-FPWuWQk 5:50 epic, he got nature swiftness heal (it was sham right?) just as the solo kicked in. Drool.

This is Vurtne video recorded in retail vanilla. I don't care who uploaded it or when ;0 Anyway I didn't link it as "proof" but as a question if you would be kind enough to take that intellectual burden and distinguish one from the other mmkay?

How about this one 11.20. Its really close and hard to distinguish what was first but I'm sure on Nost if you activated it that late it would not reflect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sj21TAmQ-M I'll try to find more.

Thanks for links but is it just me or I see comments on those not exactly from 10 years ago? The one on flame reflector is 2.2 years ago. I mean its possible some guys that always played private servers comment on these and claim it to be as it always been, correct? Thats why I'd prefer actually gameplay videos from those times or official patch notes indicating it. I'd stalk those videos but i dont have premium on warcraftmovies and youtube is just a mess.

Yes plz dont post non-retail videos as a "proof". Its further confusing the matter. Please use only OFFICIAL patch notes or 1.12.1 videos from retail. Also make sure they are INDEED retail and not some ancient private or just 240p video that simulate retail:P

Oh фекал, I did that? Thats so weird. I mashed that "post" button multiple times because it wasn't saving it nor posting. Weird.

Sure let me hop into my backyard time machine, jump 10 years back and record it for ya;p brb. Its nearly impossible to find original videos showing usage of those, I mean there are lot on warcraftmovies but most of those are flagged as archived and u need premium acc to see them. I refer to my memory which i'm 90% certain of, most of people saying it shouldn't work like that in 1.12.1 say it was nerfed at some point so I'm asking them for patch notes proof but none seem to find any so theres that.

I bet a lot of those who first thought that they'd want to roll fresh and nothing else will actually roll on old PvP server tomorrow just purely out of fear that fresh will not get quite the same amount of people it would if it started along with old reboot. So those who hit 60 fast and get into raiding guilds, get to find a family will no longer feel same drive to start fresh.

I mean I won't argue if someone tells me "you're right it worked like that but was changed in patch 1.10 or sth" but then that would be stated in patch notes from the past right? As to how it used to work when I played I'm 90% sure it used to reflect mid-flight spells. Ofc its a minor issue as if u're lets say a geared hunter and u pop fire reflector that work for 5 sec. If you force that poor pom pyro mage to hold his combo for 5 seconds during which u molest him with aimed shots, multishots and else, he's dead anyway. But it would be kewl if it worked as it used to.

Yea I never found a patch notes saying it was changed into "unable to reflect spells that have already been cast". I'd really like source tbh.

No mate, I know its how it works on most servers but on vanilla you could reflect pom pyros or deathcoils that were already mid-flight. I mean I remember using reflectors like that but I quit retail in like 1.9 patch for a bit and came back in tbc so maybe it was patched meanwhile. Do you have a source for that? I'd like to see if they changed it later because I'd bet I remember being able to reflect instant (midflight) casts pre 1.9 with reflectors.