Morathe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jVCHM58zbs done from 42 onward.

Anathema pop going to Elysium will be seen as unfair not only due to AQ but also due to being maxed out with bwl rare drops (dfts, prestors, weapons) but also amount of r13-r14 that would flood Elysium. I'd stomach loosing my AQ gear (preferably having it frozen as i worked for it) but fuck no to loosing rank gear and bwl weapons. What about zg? Enchants, trinkets. Honestly its impossible to achieve when you have a "fairness" in mind. It was a fuck up to have 2 servers and now it will be pain to fix no matter how you look at it. Is it fair to mix army of high ranks with AQ gear with MC/bwl starters? No. Is it fair that Anathema playtests shit for Elysium brand while dying slow death and getting dismissed at every turn when voicing the problem? No. I personally grow into acceptance that shit won't be fixed cause its too complicated now to do without serious drama. But that doesn't mean I will hold my judgement.

Once you start doing custom changes, even if in good faith, you loose blizz-like brand and begin to be avoided as "custom fun server". I know its dumb but thats the truth. People avoid custom servers because they don't trust devs enough to believe they won't fuck up more than they hope to improve. When you pair that with insane grind that vanilla is then you can take a guess where this lack of confidence is coming from. I for one would love SMART custom changes but by allowing those I'd have to take a risk that some changes will be shit.

Sorry you do not have permission to speak about your own server and if you do then you're only allowed to say what we want to hear. Guys this is lame as fuck. I'm outta here.

I'm sure they are pretty happy tho that Anathema act as a test realm for their future content so they can be free of issues Anathema had to swallow... and paid a price for it.

If what you said about Zeth'kur group is true then agitating is actually the way to push the matter into action.

The idea is to give Elysium "FAIR" chance not "EQUAL" chance.

Its all good now, I got the screenshots :D But please don't link me that rubbish statement that includes a warning of banning certain subjects. This should really be a shame post not something used to back anything up.

But Elysium is a slave server that exist only out of post-Nost hype. Anathema = post Nost. So you owe us fealty :P suck it up and stop crying already. I'm obviously joking at this point but imagine how nice it would be:P don't use word fairness regarding server that actually IS an offspring of something bigger that came before it. Its only fair it pays the price right now. How fair it is that Elysium will get War Effort that isn't complete fiasco because Anathema play tested how bad decison played out? A War Effort that cost Anathema a fair bit of players to begin with. Elysium will be free of those issues because Anathema made the dirty work and paid the price for hiccups.

Sorry its just that fag that follows me around on forums just to shit post whatever I say.

So fuck yourself. P;S being on Darrowshire makes you owe Anathema and Nost also ree

Because that would be 6th time I'd farm mc + bwl for months having aq and naxx stage in mind all the time and while I'd be ready to do that grind as an investment I'm not hopeful toward Elysium actually surviving that long, especially if they refuse to solidify community by merging all their servers together... maybe except pve server, I don't know I can't speak for pve centric people if its bigger deal for them to be pvp free or having bigger pop. Anyway as I said for me it would be 6th or 7th time I put months into different servers that ultimately failed before naxx or got to naxx in really dire state. This includes 3x grinding for r13 and 1x r14 blizzlike way... there is a time you just say "enough" and instead rerolling like everybody else you just start to fight for it. This is exactly where I'm at right now. Its either I do whatever I can to make it happen or I'm gone for good. If this gonna upset some people then I'm sorry but thats it. But all above is just my personal gain for the whole thing and outside of that I genuinely think that merging servers together, while being a logistical hassle would only help both servers in the long run. But window to act is short already as Anathema is below 1k pop often and its only getting lower.

Let me guess you are Elysium player that want to stay in its protective bubble without acknowledging you actually owe something to Anathema right? Thats fine, being a coward is not a sin although please just do me a favor and don't address me, its both insulting and embarrassing.

Its just the subject was inconvenient. And I agree its not a very convenient no matter how you look at it but if you don't wanna act upon it due to lack of manpower / lack of whatever... at least let people talk about it to remedy the pain. P.S putting matters under carpet doesn't make subject go away, it just makes people talk on other platforms and it still have an impact on the game so truly, stop with censorship as you only make things worse. I'm not the enemy.

Anyways topic got deleted after I suggested that Elysium + Anathema merge could look like that: Elysium timeline accelerated resulting in more activities for Elysium playerbase and merge soon after Ely get on same stage. Elysium would have to accept change of pace but with a merit of saving crumbling Anathema thus increasing its own chances to last a bit longer... even after taking a hit by accelerating its progress it could gain in longevity due to more pop from Anathema. Elysium players might be against it because they planned their activity with current timeline in mind but I think its fair that Elysium take responsibility for Anathema also since Anathema play tests content before Elysium and thus actively benefit quality that Elysium gets/will get. P.S I'm taking screenshots of full topics from now on so go go delete topics I'll repost with screenshots. Autism awaken.

Haha thats actually funny:P If I had a dog I'm sure that would be his reaction. So much fucking time wasted on this shit hole board with nazi mods. Although its sad that we had, sure, edgy, but polite conversation and its still enough to get deleted because subject discussed is not welcome. Thats one of the problems we have. Dialog is not harmful, your reaction to the dialog is. If you don't accept merits of the dialog you're free to argument against it. Its not like there are many potential newcomers that could be discouraged by it anyway lol...

On video its level 48 but I think I started even lower... number 42 rings a bell but I honestly don't remember.

I'm getting a vibe that Anathema won't get merged into Elysium despite its dire loss of population due to one thing: We serve a purpose of being a Live Test Realm for content that will then be fixed or not (Ossirian) months later so Elysium can have a smooth launch later. So even tho server slowly reaches the bottom that Zeth'kur did we won't get a merge because keeping us alive actually benefits Elysium in a major way. Ofc I aknowledge the difficulty of merging AQ geared ppl with a server that just had their bwl and av released but thats something that can have its solution if someone were to actually think about it. Delaying 1.10 on our server to fix bugs on Elysium is just another sign that this is the way it works. Don't get me wrong but when headlining content server gets its major content patch delayed because their pet project has to be polished then its a sign of favoritism isn't? I'm not looking to blame here, ofc you gonna tend to server with 7times bigger pop more. I just look to get you to admit that so I can finally quit for good. Before this topic gets closed because its considered talking about "death of a server" which all of a sudden became a taboo topic. Let me adress few things from your statement https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/49560-addressing-rumors-regarding-possible-anathema-elysium-merge/ "Due to our respect to Nostalrius and its community, we have no plans of merging these two realms anytime soon" You respect us so much you will let us bore to death on emptying server. Before anyone raise a voice saying "we stil got over 1k online thats way more than you need to play and have fun", true, but vanilla is a long term thing, hardcore players won't invest their time anymore to such a degree they used to if they notice a trend of withering. That in turn snowballs into average and in the end into casual players that quit the last, because they notice it last due to how they perceive the "health" of a server. "Our goal is to provide the best possible experience for our players and thus we believe that a merge would negatively impact a large chunk of our community." Yes I agree Elysium folks would be rightfully mad if you accepted migrations of AQ geared ppl into the server but i'm sure if you were willing to actually reanimate Anathema community you'd find a solution. Like finding a way to block usage of items that are not yet on Elysium without deleting them so people that earned those items on Anathema can equip them once Elysium gets into same content or sth like that. I mean there is no easy solution but you fucked up in a first place by dividing communities into old/fresh server so now its your uneasy thing to chew it. "Anathema, historically, is a very important realm, and will remain untouched in its original state as the oldest progressive Vanilla realm. Anathema has a very unique and dedicated community, which we do not believe would boast well with Elysium....Anathema isn't going anywhere and we will continue to work to make the gameplay on it more attractive and enjoyable." Treat us equally then, don't delay our content releases to work on the other server, I refuse to be your beta tester for your favored server. I respect that its your free time, that all the work you do is free but i think its a bullshit argumentation and I smell you use that bullshit argumentation to waste my and others time and thats something I can't stand for... even if its free of charge. ""any speculation and memes about it's supposed death will only damage the realm and its dedicated community and thus, we will no longer tolerate these sort of posts or messages on our official platforms" If observing, commenting and discussing well being of a server i spent over 100days /played on damages the server and myself (as dedicated player) then you truly built a palace on sand. Don't be ridiculous with that intolerant approach warnings. The only thing that can damage server further is you not letting players voice their thoughts. Its dangerously close to saying "You think you do but you don't". Just as few closing words: As players we pay with time, invested into playing on a game that in its concept is a long term investment, sure we use that time to have fun but you as a staff working on the server also pay with your time.. and I suppose its also, to some degree fun to you, as I can't imagine doing what you do without any sense of enjoyment of running a server. In that regard we're equal. Keep in mind your work is useless and wasted if players go away. It happened before and there is absolutely nothing unique about Anathema/Elysium in that regard that wards it from that fate.

Its really hard to say, might not even be relevant as Naxx ptr ain't here yet. Maybe Naxx gonna be pain in the ass to script and we all will wait 2 years for it. Thats always a possibility. All im saying is that merge is deffo possible with ways to control the damage.

I don't know, I can't speak for every Anathema player here but for me its dead already. If i have to look 2 hours in major herbing zones for world pvp and all I get is 2 pve mode hordes that don't even fight back then its a bit rip. Btw why 5-6 months? AQ is mainly done and already playtested by Anathema so launching it on Elysium shouldn't be that time consuming. If you talk about War Effort... well its been laughable on Anathema and then it got auto completed for the hardest materials... so it might as well get skipped and auto completed on Elysium... with some window of time so Elysium folks can farm some reps with War Effort. For all the technical difficulties 1 thing that Elysium deserves and shouldn't be stripped off no matter what is having AQ opening for themselves without Anathema people interfering with their race for Scepter. Thats all that is really important. Rest of shit is irrelevant... like being special snowflake with your Elysium first Asscandy. Derp.

There are many solutions honestly... its not like its never been done in history. Its just a matter of good will and making right decisions sooner than later. I guess least painful solution for both sides would be to bring Elysium to AQ stage sooner, let them farm it for a month or two without Anathema people and then merge servers.

https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/49708-anathema-is-a-sidekick-rant/

I wrote it and linked to get more attention of Elysium people as matter discussed involves them. Don't you find it necessary? Oh well, but it got you to reply in both places so go figure :*

I'm aware of difficulties and fact that chunk of community would be unhappy with either solution, I'm obviously biased as I'm from Anathema but think for a moment about all the people that quit Anathema because they got wind of dying trend... the pop that is present right now are some extremely stubborn players that refuse to quit despite all odds although they don't feel strong incentives to play anymore. Then you have all the people that are there somewhere waiting for things to get better but are on hiatuses until then. If you add up all those people that are active now + those potentially active you gonna come up with a nice healthy number that would bolster overall number of players of combined anathema + elysium substentially. Of course right now it would benefit Anathema more than Elysium cause its Anathema that got dull and empty but as I said there is nothing that protects Elysium from sharing same fate. Just how many progressive servers got in a good health to naxx stage in the past? Its matter of answering a question if its more important to try and improve chances to maintain server alive until its ran its course (post naxx period) or tend to people that want to remain special snowflakes with their mc/bwl epics? Not to mention that Elysium already cought up more or less with Anathema because difference of bwl gear vs aq isn't terribly huge, not to say that its minority of Anathema pop that cleared AQ.

I'm fully aware of that. However demand is purely a matter of accessibility in that case. Its a price we pay now for a decision made 6-7 months ago when it was decided to open a server that would rival with Anathema for fresh players which are essential for server longevity. Because of a series of unfortunate, miscalculated decisions Anathema lost tons of players which are not refilled with fresh people, which led into even more quits, hiatuses... spiral of downfall is quick. Especially for guilds that struggled with AQ and failed to bolster their roster due to lack of people. And the fact is that Anathema is playtesting things for Elysium... I honestly see no valid argumentation in what they said in their statement about possible merge. All decisions about servers were made at start, including Zeth'kur. Zeth'kur proved to be failed decision but people that were there didn't get punished by being left there to die but instead they got merged into... mostly Elysium. Now Anathema is nearing same problem, even worse than Zeth'kur for majority of old players because its one thing to roll on fresh progressive server and realize its turning shit after u got to lvl 50 or just started farming mc. But its completely different matter to have 100+ days played and force yourself to keep doing AQ not to say about making huge preparations for naxx40 when you see pop drop by % each week. Prior to AQ opening we had 4-5k online, when AQ opened we started loosing guilds that couldn't form strong rosters to clear it and farm it. They were unable to bolster it so they disbanded. Now 2 months later when I login at morning hours its not rare to see just 500-800 online... I've been hunting for world pvp for 2 hours in major herbing zones, felwood, winterspring, epl and found just 2! people. Then I queued wsg and had 42 min queue. They can't say server is alive and well and leave it be using argumentation like they did. When they said about "dedicated hardcore players that still play here" it tried to sound like its a very alive community with very hardcore players but what it really says is that there is a rather limited group of people that stick around until the bitter end because they invested too much here to just start over elsewhere so they idle in IF chitchat, raidlog or circlejerk with other grumpy cats while linking old nostalrius/anathema recordings to each other showing how fun it was when we still had a population.