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That narrative is the reason enough to consider <NOPE> sub humans. Anyway quite funny you admit you just nerd raged and still consider it being badass:P Its like taking ur own shit, rub it over your own face and consider it a best camouflage.

Then I have one advice for you. Get skinning, join Cartel, see how fun it is to tag battle devilsaurs during the time we have no opposing faction friends online to come to get rid of others of our own faction. I don't see how you think pure ally vs horde would make it non-tag battle in the end. I think you just don't understand Un'Goro and talk purely out of your understanding that ally vs horde is a holy war that can't stop because thats the one and only way to play the game. As i said cooperation with opposing faction in that singular matter is a way to implement more rivalry into the otherwise stagnant system. Don't be blind zealot and instead learn the ins and outs of the thing you criticize just because it breaks one of the aspects of the game you thought is unbreakable. Think of the alternatives and try to sell them to me. I'm open to ideas, dude I'd die for proper competition there. Atm its just old enemies that come and go without posing much threat and randoms that realize whats happening and get mad they didn't get to have a shot at tagging thus cry on forums even tho they are not even interested in farming or pvping or having any real competition as a matter of fact. P.s (Chinas are not there soloely because they have over 100ms and they have absolutely ZERO chance to tag a spawning devilsaur, we're talking about macros that you bind under mouse wheel up and down and scroll it like a mad man, its a huge difference in that case if you have 15ms or 50ms or 100ms)

You silly boy. We cooperate with horde exactly because tag battles are retarded. Thats the sole reason we went for the whole process of difficult agreements with opposing faction. Because we rather settle the dominance by strength of arms and pvp than camping a spawn and letting the "better latency" win the tag contest. I mean everyone enjoy different things so don't take it as judging you. But yea... no thanks Tl;dr you fail to understand that this mechanism work as a building block for hardcore pvp scene in world environment. Its unrealistic to see pure horde vs alliance competition over that because it leads directly into tag battles. About last sentence. Running low on fine argumentation and undermining me as biased because I'm obvious gold seller right? I heard that before. "Bitch please"

You don't need to cooperate with opposing faction to rival us, just bring more of the same faction and beat our other faction friends. Then you're free to continue the act in mighty tag battle cause you defy working with opposing faction. Hence... Thats EXACTLY THE ARGUMENT (so much fun!)

Oh you mean the languages? Ever thought of it as ROLEPLAYING (see? easy) addition to the game? Derp. Bai

That one bit is true, people were bitching the same 10 years ago, keep bitching today speaking about intended way to play the game. Meanwhile nothing in ToU or any official statement backing their bitching. That pretty much sums up the whole topic for me. Anything other than that is just exchanging opinions and being salty over antagonistic ideas. About last bit... even lore have countless examples where horde and alliance cooperate for some goals so even if I were die-hard roleplayer I could battle your statement saying that other alliance guilds are just corrupt and not worth my trust, thus I cooperate with horde that in the end are worth more as an ally. Speak to me more about how I should play the game because I obviously confused myself and I need your guidance TTL San.

Anyway assuming that people didn't use cross faction communication back in the day because this or that is beside the point. We know tools for that existed and some of us have experience with using them even back in the days. The difference in numbers of people using them does not prove any principle or intended "gaming ethics", it just proves that communities changed since then and also that some part of the community have problem moving on with the new way of playing an old content. Ofc everyone is free to voice their opinion and fight for their ideas but so is the other side: to defend the aspect of the game they genuinely enjoy.

Ofc thats the reason... but also add one more. ITS fun to spy/chase/fight/engage in guerilla warfare that un'goro offers in current shape. Ethics? sorry i'm not roleplayer. You pulled that number out of your ass to fit into your argumentation obviously because unless you were in a dev room in blizzard HQ when they made rules and regulations then im sorry but you know jack shit.

Meaning that we can do whatever we want and blizzard ToU and quotes from it are not relevant, nor your assumption it was written with principle you talk about in mind. Following that, considering that you had official replies from Elysium staff (describing WHAT THEY WANT) regarding what you consider "Un'Goro problem" any further crying about the subject could mean you just ignore the official statements because you don't like the outcome and keep bugging them aka harassing for no reason. You obviously don't like the official statement but you also said yourself Elysium as private server are free to do whatever they want and are not bound by principles that accompanied blizzard in vanilla days (even if assuming those principles were there with them is true to begin with, thats a matter of opinion and belief tbh, not a fact, there was no Un'Goro like situation during official vanilla days so you can't be sure they would consider it a same thing as win trading on bgs. Thats why I consider talking about it as a same thing a bit far fetched, maybe its comparable in principle but its completely different considering the balance and overall health of a server as an entity.)

What am I trying to prove? I ain't trying to prove anything. Reality proves everything we need. I'm only breaking it down for those resistant... why? call it a charity in the first instance but also because I hate people that call for GM police everytime they are getting wrecked (one way or another). P.S and yes they are not my "friends" if you mistook it for a IRL meaning of the word. But i know gaming is a dangerous deal... mixes and confuses stuff for people. Oh? You tried to hurt me... right, my bad. Hahaha:P "Bitch please"

Read the edit. P.S maybe... but doubtful cause so far ToU is on my side and everyone participating in Un'goro control. Its on your end to push for a change in ToU... after you filter out anti-RP factor that it induces (irrelevant cause not rp-pvp realm) or personal failure (cause not part of the club). Also try to spare me "fair-play" argumentation like it was some chivalrous tournament we play here. I honestly lol at people telling me that the only reason we're in control is because 90% of the server consider that against ToU and don't want to take part in it. Truth is people don't have enough connections, friends and organization power to step in and rival us. Thats the sole reason we have this period blood here. Cause people can't compete. Calling it "win trading" or "against ToU" or "cheating"... heck even "HACKING" derp is obvious smoke screen.

You know something more about what I can or what I can't more than I do? I'd agree with you and call it pure bannable offense if mind control was instant and not prevent you from moving or acting freely but the only instance I know its used is to heal up an opposing faction friend after a duel. Anyway I'm not gonna aid your case. If you're on a witch hunt go and gather your evidence and build your own case.

I can assure you that this kind of thing never happened in a confrontation where it would matter. Anyway mind controlling a guy and thus preventing him from moving/attacking/healing/buffing/re-positioning just to toss him a heal is HARDLY helping. I saw this happen maybe once and guy got flamed to death by his friends cause ultimately it led to his opponent getting a favorable position and his cd's back and winning a fight so it never happened again. But thats my experience thus far. I'm sure every anti-un'goro person knows ins and outs of un'goro way better and use arbitrary argumentation to strengthen their case any way they can so yea...

Yea, got problems finding it? I had.

What you consider helping? Not attacking them? I know there were rare cases in which people mind controlled and healed (that case is abuse indeed) but you can't otherwise help opposing faction kill the members of your own faction. Most of the time its fair and square fight, probably with numbers on our side but thats about it.

And as such if you'd win trade on bgs you'd get banned no matter the amount of it cause it the long run its hurting the system the same. The is one fundamental difference why win trading on bgs HAS to be banned. Thats because normal teams can't compete for honor with win traders, no matter how good/geared/experienced people are they can't compete with pure win trade teams. On the other hand Un'goro offers a way for regular players to rival dominating teams. They just have to band together and fight for it. Its completely irrelevant that people outside of cartel are bunch of whiners and loosers that won't come even close to creating a valid opposition but thats the price you pay for being an underdog on a 10y old game aka if you're not aiming for top you will end up being a sidekick that won't see half of the game and won't have access to the cookie jar. But if thats the case then maybe its not a matter of changing the server rules, policies to cater around average players but more like average players realizing they have to accept being handicapped, upping their game or quiting if prior options are not possible. About encouraging RP: your case would be totally valid and i'd back you 100% if we were talking about things happening on rp-pvp server where things like "how matters actually feel" are relevant. On PvP realms folks play to win and don't care about being "hero of the alliance" or "mighty horde chieftain" P.S win trading as a term is tied to honor system for the reasons you should be able to comprehend by now. Don't mix the terms if you want to have any proper convo here. Un'goro is based on communicating with opposing faction so I understand why you're confused.

Official ToU quote from pre 2006 plz

Belives whistle blowers yet still here... thats rich.

Time to visit Chapel of RNG God and pray

Calling it an issue is huge overstatement. Bitching of casuals is hardly a problem, more like a nuisance for proper hardcore players that need to battle all the cry induced shitguments so you don't ruin the server.

You mean u're roleplayer then? I thought they were dying breed. I wonder tho what drug you run on to collect enough herbs to beat 150g/h. Unless you're talking about being legendary super saiyan on AV weekend and getting every black lotus that is in 10 min games I call it a bs.

If thats the case then I'm sorry. I'm not super aware of ins and outs of scarab lord chain. Thought rep grind can be done pre war effort finished.

Stuff that give ok rewards is one thing but there is a chunk of War Effort that is supposed to be sacrifice. Problem is that the "sacrifice" part on retail was done by guilds that wanted to go AQ already and they could stomach doing that without getting any immediate return. And its a whole other story to stomach 1M+ copper bars. So thats the thing, War Effort was calculated taking randoms stockpiled goods into consideration, they have personal benefit in mind so they won't turn it in cause the material is the low reward one... (the one guilds completed as a sacrifice part).

Server owners evaluated this thing ten times over and came up with same logical solution. If they listened to whiners and people that keep bitching 24/7 they'd be same as Blizzard and turn server into auto-pilot experience.

I find it pretty offending that you assume Un'Goro people sell gold just because they have lots of it. I myself earned quite a bit there and NEVER sold a penny. I'm sitting at 2600 gold and I'll spend most of it during first few weeks of AQ (flasks alone with soak 1700gold). People make up your mind already... are you angry because we make a lot of gold or are you angry because we break your Roleplaying experience by "communicating with the opposing faction" (aka exploit derp). Or you actually have proof of gold selling. Ofc I'm talking for myself, I can't take responsibility for all people that had access to farming ungoro, maybe some of them indeed sold their gold before quiting the game but that doesn't make the way to make gold against rules. Its like you said EVERY way to make gold should not be allowed cause you could possibly sell that gold right?