Oakenlix

What... why... I thought... nevermind.

@Hamblin Thanks for the replies. I wish something would be done about it, but even if not, I guess I can live with that. For example, a specific mention of Aux, or addons in general, in the ToU would be nice, since I'm sure many people assume just like I did that if it's an addon, then it's ok. This isn't as obvious as you might think. Any addon gives an advantage, some bigger than others, the definition of "fair" advantage can be tricky.

I do think that while leveling BM is the best for everything.

That's not entirely true, as scanning the whole auction takes up to an hour, but it's still a valid point. Well, not sure how you do that, I only checked if the price was less than the vendor value and if the price was less than 3 coppers. Which of course didn't always work (I also bought quite a few Raw Longjaw Mud Snappers this way), but still good enough.

I'd love to know that you have a reliable way to catch people who break this rule, but I just can't think of any, and player reports isn't one either, in this case. I imagine you have caught a lot of people via reports, but also you will most likely never catch the rest ~80% who uses auto-buy in a less malicious way and probably don't even know it's forbidden since it's not a 3rd party program but just an ingame addon, just like I assumed. And don't get me wrong, I do dislike it when addons give too big advantage and I wish it wasn't possible for addons to do that. But once they exist, I want it to be a fair ground for everyone, which for now it isn't. Now sure what you mean, by sniping I mean mostly the stuff that was put on AH for an absurdly low price and not expected to be bought by someone else, of course 1 copper price might be an exxageration, but you get the idea. But of course auto-buy is useful for anything else that can bring profit too.

The only people who get sniped are the people who tried to bypass the neutral AH 15% cut, so I say it's a well balanced risk-reward situation. You don't wanna get sniped - you put items on AH for normal value and not 1 copper. As for the ping and better-tuned addon, its beneficial in all aspects of the game and not just this one, and it's ok. I agree. Still I had no problems transferring stuff between factions myself. Auto-buy scanning isn't instant, and if you do it all quickly, I don't believe you could get sniped. If sniping is the problem, the rules should be made about neutral AH specifically, and not about auto-buy in general, in my opinion.

Not gonna argue with that, but seeing Aux being in many recommended addon lists provided by known people I assume that it is indeed a lot. And even if you're right, 10% is huge in this context. It is relevant in the sense that it makes this rule non-existent in practise, and so this rule shouldn't be there in the first place, but we already been there and I see that you disagree with that for whatever reason. I can see why you would think that, but you're confusing harm to some people with the advantage for other people, which is not always the same. Aux also allows you to sort auctions by price which gives you an advantage over someone who doesn't use it, yet nobody advocates for prohibiting Aux altogether. Same with any other addon - all of them give some sort of advantage to those who use it. And this is what you call "hurt the community". A good way to tell whether something is good or bad in the game is to imagine everyone would use it. If every player used a farming bot, would that be good? Definitely not. Now, if everyone used auto-buy for things they are ready to buy anytime, what would be bad about it? Nothing really. Yet it's not the same. Yes, a farming bot would only be punished via player reports or GM encounter too, the difference here is that bot is being fairly obvious to everyone and any player can record a video and report him easily. With auto-buy though, the only possible way it may happen is when someone has put something on AH and it got bought instantly, which also only happens on neutral AH because nobody ever snipes faction ones. I think you may agree, that those are very rare occasions, and someone who only uses auto-buy for a faction AH will most likely never get caught.

- A lot of people use Aux and autobuy feature. - Almost none of them get caught. I'm fairly sure those are not my biased opinion but facts, and also the fact that I've been using auto-buy for 5 month before ever being contacted my a GM, and even that was only after I sniped some stuff from neutral AH and got reported by people who were upset about that. And by the way, how does the community suffer from auto-buy feature? If anything, the market would be more active and healthier if more people were using it. Then why make a point based on feb 2016 post in the first place?

Lol what the fuck, do you even read anything I type? :D

It is though, if you just think about it. No rules should be unable to be enforced, and this is exactly what happens here. What we currently have is what I've described above - people who get reported in few cases get punished, but the vast majority is able to use it freely because it's simply impossible to track them unless someone reports it, and people usually only report when their stuff got sniped on neutral AH.

How so? Or do you think that enforcing a rule in few specific cases while nothing happens to the majority of players who do the same is fair and alright?

Yes, but could this ever be changed, considering the arguments in OP? Namely, the fact that it's impossible to actually enforce this rule and that the advantage it gives is not that significant. Because I know for sure many people use it without any problems just like I used it for 5 months.

Thanks for the input, guys. Still, would be also nice to hear an official response from GM team. I'm not sure who's in charge of this, perhaps @Pottu could provide any information about this? Would appreciate it.

You can. But you want to avoid the neutral AH 15% cut so you put your items underpriced.

Hey hey hey, are you implying that white shadow priests are somehow superiour compared to black ones? You racist prick! Why can't you learn to accept their color as it is?

Just making sure - did this whole "Unacceptable behaviour" thing started because Hudson told this retard that the only fail here is his own? I mean, that would be too ridiculous to believe, but having been on these forums for a while, I'm ready for anything...

You're doing great with those spaces so far, keep it up.

PS: I don't know if your permaban is justified, but fuck you regardless. Seriously, being afk on a BG, what the hell is wrong with you?

Put spaces after commas and question marks.

Actually, just yesterday I did have some weird stuff happening to my pet while leveling, namely it disappeared several times while in combat so I had to call it back. Just putting it in here for all the conspiracy lovers. It's true though.

Usually I only kill enemies that give honor, unless I have some specific reason to kill some low level player or it's a part of some event I'm participating in, like a town raid or something. This seems reasonable to me.

You only have to visit STV few times to get to rank 3 while leveling.

This: http://vanillaradar.com/elysium-stats/elysium/

That's not logic, that's just knowledge. I'm the one responsible for logic on this forum.

@Justme, you don't think there's a difference between something being impossible to police effectively and "difficult to police"? I do. The difference is that you can never tell if someone uses auto-buy unless he's afk and someone reports him. Policing crimes like murder is... something entirely different.