Oakenlix

So Alexensual is gay, alright, got it. Hey, just because I'm Russian doesn't mean I have anything against gay people. Unsubscribed though.

Thanks, didn't know you can change it.

If you promise me that you are completely serious about that and truly believe what you say here, that you aren't just trolling me to waste my time, I will make a genuine reply trying to explain things to you one last time.

It is the first sign of me not really giving a crap about your opinion anymore, seeing as you don't make any sense. I'm not here to infinitely argue with dumb people, I'm here to explain my point enough so that actually sane people could understand its legitimacy, and I feel like I've done enough for that. And yes, I've read your other post too. Sorry, its just as retarded as the previous one. Upd: lmao at "another strong argument" above.

Ok... Ok. I'm sorry, but your whole post is ridiculously dumb.

First of all, I don't doubt these definitions, what I say is they are applied in a wrong way, and I'll show you why. With greed, everything is obvious - the more the better. What about need? How do you estimate who would get a bigger advantage from getting a BoE polearm, a warrior or a mage? Later in your post you make this example: - but guess what? Having 10 000 gold you can go and buy a good gear upgrade and have a better stats, making gold a "need" part of the game just like stats. If that is your best example, I'm not impressed. This applies just as well to those who demand a BoE to be given to them. Why do they want to get this drop? Because they don't want to spend money to buy it. Gold is a potential advantage in the most obvious way - you buy stuff with it! And just because there are other ways to make gold doesn't mean we should neglet this one. The more stats the better, and with more gold you can buy better gear/more gear pieces, so yes, it can be called greed. It sounds silly because you just said a silly thing. Obviously if there's no market, then there's no market value = no freely traded BoEs. But we're talking about Elysium with huge population and good healthy market, so what are you talking about? There are two ways of getting a BoE item - winning it in a group and buying it from AH. Just because you refuse one option doesn't mean you're privileged in another. You may think you "don't need gold to gear up", but other people sure do. PS: sorry for a huge post, just wanted to reply to all the points.

"Oh, how terrible, people equalize their greed for gold with others' need for gear, bla-bla" - Look, if a player who can equip a BoE that dropped in a group "actually needs" it, then he would've bought it on AH already. Oh, he didn't have the gold for that? Then stop pretending that it's not all just about gold. BoE drops = gold drops.

I disagree. Blaming people and calling them ninjas for rolling "Need" on BoE is wrong. You may agree or disagree with whether or not one should do that, but publicly calling people ninjas for that is quite fucked up.

No, thanks. I don't think you can change your forum rank either.

What if you can use the item by selling it to buy an upgrade that you will equip? Highlighted the key words for you to make the puzzle a bit easier.

Check the realm status on the website.

A market value. What's wrong with it? What? What are you talking about? We're talking about BoE items. Your post makes no sense.

Hey! Pss! Wanna know a secret? BoEs can be converted to gold. And the other way around. But don't tell anyone!

I do think you can't use another factions spirit healers and graveyards. Not sure its worth the trouble.

I try not to insult anyone I want to persuade, that would be indeed quite silly. With Fapmonsoon, however, I gave up some time ago (you may want to read our long discussion in Beerwizzard thread), so I just insult him because he's an utter moron and sometimes writes some funny stuff as replies to me. And correct me if I'm wrong, but whatever impression you may have about me isn't really relevant to the issue we are arguing about. I'd love to see any valid arguments against my point, and not just something like "you're a greedy cunt". But alas, none so far. Well, good luck to you too! PS: about warriors, as I said earlier, everyone makes their choices, every role has pros and cons. Tanks can't farm very well, but they have easier time finding groups, just for example. So no, it doesn't mean they have a priority while looting.

Eh... then what does "outweigh" even mean in that case? Jesus, dude, it's not how logic and common sense work. Anyway, I should really focus on answering to those members of community whose brain at least functions. It's funny because it's quite the opposite, actually. You forget that you may not just lose a roll for an item you can wear, but you can also win a roll for an item you can't. So, the overall possibility of getting value X isn't really changed, it only becomes more random (due to rolls) and therefore, I'd say, even more fair. Not only that, but you would lose the possibility to get screwed like that if everyone rolls "Need" on BoEs. You would never happen to roll "Greed" on something only to see someone else roll "Need" and get it without giving you a chance. Just me? Or all the other people who say everyone should need on BoEs too? So you are saying that demanding everyone to pass a universally valuable item to you because you can wear it and despite the fact it could serve as an equal gear upgrade for them - isn't personal greed? If that isn't, I don't know what is. So you're basically saying that warriors need gold more than mages because they are poor. While this is very arguable, as every player is responsible for his class choice and every class/role has its pros and cons, I understand why you would think that. But, while it's always good to be nice and pass something away for someone who can't earn as much, there is no reason to blame people who don't do that as ninjas. It's not, but it sounds like one to you, because you're either very dumb or just didn't read this thread. My condolenses.

I'm not talking about that, lol. Call it what you want - need or greed, but I've never said I should have more rights to get a BoE than anyone else. Quite the opposite, I'm saying everyone needs them equally. So you're either a liar or a dumbass who didn't grasp anything from reading my posts. And yeah, I don't doubt you're sad enough to actually camp someone in a game because you disagree with them.

The fact that I've never even said anything like that just goes to show how retarded you are. Smh.

Hmm, it seems the percentage of sane people here isn't that small, after all. Hey, why don't you be a "humble" guy and send me a hundred gold then? He isn't. He is not the one demanding to get a drop for free. He advocates for free fair rolls for BoEs. You missed the point.

Or may be you should just read his posts again. He's talking some truth, you know.

Nice one, now, if only you could prove me to be wrong with any sensible arguments on your side... but I'm asking for too much, aint I? Yep, some people are just entertainingly dumb, and I thought WoW had a high average player age...

Why do you even compare an infinite DM farm with a player-made devilsaur cartel? Those are completely different things. It's only right that they fixed the DM farm, but they shouldn't do anything about the cartel.

I was considering it, but there's not much here to explain really. I have already posted here everything I wanted to explain my point. If that's not enough, more text won't really help.

Please don't quote me so often, you're distracting me from cutting my veins open. Anyway, do you want to keep the discussion at least a little bit relevant to the topic? If not, you may just as well PM me from now on, instead of polluting the thread.

It's a shame that you know so much but still are retarded. So why are they even assholes? It's the same thing for everyone. It's not quite right to call comeone an asshole just because he doesn't give up his chance for a drop to a stranger.