Oakenlix

What are you talking about, what did they change exactly?

It's ok, everything is alright, don't forget to take your meds.

Here we go again with the "monetary gain" bullshit. It would've been funny if it wasn't so sad that you can't understand how ridiculous this argument is. And I'm not getting angry, I'm just done trying to explain my point far earlier in this thread, so if you still don't understand something so simple - now I'm just making funny posts to mock your stupidity.

You didn't read the thread, did you? Oh boy... No, my way of seeing it comes from simple logic, and you only have to appeal to public opinion if you lack the logical thinking, which is really unfortunate. I have. Read the thread. A drop of a BoE item is the same as a drop of X amount of gold, which everyone obviously needs equally, so roll "Need". When talking about BoE, gear gain = gold gain and vice versa, and you're being a hypocrite right now by pretending one is more important than the other. I don't need to forget shit, we have a good healthy market with nice player population, all tradable items have their monetary value, and we have to take it into consideration. If that's "too far ahead" for you, I'm sorry you can't see one step ahead. Good job contradicting yourself. If you say "all need should be regarded as equal", then why do you call my need of BoE to sell it on AH "ninja looting" as opposed to other player's need to wear it? You fucking idiot. Please learn how to read. After you're done, re-read this thread and see how stupid you looked.

Doesn't matter, any BoE items are tradable. If it's a bad item - its price on AH would be lower, but so would its value for the wearer. You're still missing the point. The whole basis for me saying everyone should roll "Need" on any BoE is that everyone needs it equally. Therefore everyone should have equal chance of getting it via a roll. With BoP items, the one who can wear it as a gear upgrade needs it much more than whoever else who can only disenchant/vendor it. So it's not equal anymore. No matter what the vendor price is (20, 50, 200), I'm sure you agree any BoP blue/epic item is worth more than that. This is why whoever can use a BoP as a gear upgrade has more rights to it than other players, so others should roll "Greed" as opposed to "Need". This doesn't bother me as long as I'm right. No one has yet proven any of my argument to be wrong, unfortunately. All I get is just people saying "this is how it should be" or "this is how it was" with nothing to back it up, like this:

"somebody liked a post", "2 people like this" - What's up with the anonymity of likes for forum posts? Why was the old system removed where you could actually see the names? I don't care how many likes my post has, I'm not going for presidental election or something. What I care about is who is the person who agreed with my post - is it someone whose opinion matters a lot to me or is it some stranger? Anyway, I believe it would be much better if the old like system was brought back.

Eh... makes sense. Yep, the idea is pretty good, although my alt is level 8 already so it's not like I care. :)

How is that even relevant to the topic we're arguing about? Get the fuck out of here with your "He's blacklisted!" bullshit. If actions speak louder than words, shut up and try to get him blacklisted in another 15 guilds.

The difference is that the value of BoE item is equal for everyone since it's tradable between players, and so everyone should roll "Need". The value of a BoP item is much bigger for someone who can wear it than someone who can't, because the only alternative would be vendoring it. And I hope you agree that vendor prices are lower than the actual value of items. This is why you roll "Greed" on a BoP items if you can't wear it, so if nobody needs it you can win the roll and vendor/disenchant it. Yes, you could roll "Need" for a BoP to vendor it. Now THAT would be a ninja move, because the amount of gold you get out of it is miserable compared to its value to someone who could wear it. That's the difference.

No, re-read the thread, what we're talking about does NOT apply to BoP items. It's not the same.

I'd rather be guildless than be in a guild that kicks its member out over something stupid like that.

Well, having the names of forum users who liked a post would be more informative so it's just plain better. I'm confused as for why they removed it in the first place.

Come out, you stealthy pricks! Seriously though, it's not like I'm really bothered by that, it's just that the general forum experience would be much better for everyone this way.

True, but that's just like giving someone X amount of gold, which of course is a nice thing to do and it makes the recieving party quite happy. And people being mad at someone for not doing "the nice thing" to a stranger is just really wrong.

Good job running away from a simple question which you have no answer for. Also: No, you shouldn't, because vendor prices don't reflect the actual value of an item. AH prices, however, do exactly that. I'm sorry that you're so dumb.

And why is that? I'm almost curious what bullshit you can come up with to justify this statement.

The item is not gold, but - SURPRISE - the value of an item can be expressed in gold. Also, you're talking about reasoning and logic as if you knew anything about it, lol. I don't think you realize how hilarious it is that you actually try to use it as an argument.

Look, I completely understand why you are upset with this whole situation. This, however, doesn't mean you're right - losing a roll is always frustrating, but there's nothing more to it. Your group got a grop of ~350 gold, and you're saying you needed it more because you are poor (=can't farm as much gold). But it's not how it works, even IRL we don't have salaries based on wealth.

Please add me to whatever list you can, so that I don't accidentally end up in a group with braindead moronic assholes like yourself. Oakenlix, Alliance, Elysium PvP. Thank you.

No, thats the flaw in your reading comprehension. Everyone need gold equally, and thats what we are saying as an argument that everyone should roll need for BoE, because any BoE is tradable for gold.

You motherfuckers forget that whoever can wear this BoE item could also just buy it from AH for the same price others can sell it, so its value is the same for everyone = everyone should roll the same.

... and yet not a single one of you has proven that someone who can wear a BoE item needs it more than others, but you continue arguing. It's quite hilarious.

Dude, I gave up trying to explain this stuff already, some people here are just ridiculously dumb, don't bother with that. They are stuck.

What the actual fuck, hahaha. You can't read I take it? Where did you get that from, do I look like a fucking commie? My point is that nobody needs a BoE item more than other players, that's completely different, but given the level of your idiocy you have shown, I'm not surprised you didn't even spot the difference. And please don't talk about "general loot rules" and other bullshit, just answer the simple question - why do you think someone needs a BoE item more that others. Come on, I know you can do this if you try! (Not really)

No, I'm genuinely surprised some people don't see it the way I see it. I know I wouldn't roll need on a BoE if I want my friend to get it (even though I probably still would to increase our chances), but that's the same as giving away something for free for a friend. And why exactly is that a mistake? I'll repeat myself, the amount of gold you save by winning a BoE that you will use (and therefore won't have to buy) is the same as the amount of gold someone else would make by selling it on AH. Basically any BoE item = gold. You don't need gold more than other players, how can you not see that?