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Hi guys, Just a quick one as I have been debating this in my head over and over again. However with regards to Lifestealing being mentioned multiple times for the best Ret weapon enchant, does this actually scale with SP as I am currently not seeing any benefit from this? Or are we just using it more as just a way to boost vengeance uptime? Also in raids would Shadow Oil be a good choice over elemental sharpening stones? as this scales with SP quite well and can also crit meaning more vengeance uptime as well as benefitting from lock and SP debuffs, I imagine that especially at later gear levels for Ret that the sharpening stone will take over in terms of a DPS increase but for lower gear levels I am unsure.

Yeah that's what I was thinking, just couldn't remember if the wep skill would of just had diminishing returns or just stop, can remember 310 being a mark of some sort just couldn't remember which. Will enchant my Zin then 8-)

Human so that's a tasty 13 wep skill, I know it reduces how effective it is after a certain point but will increase glancing damage and further reduce dodges would it not?

Ok, think I will keep to lifestealing then. @Theloras I have a Zin'Rokh and an Obsidian Edge at the moment, I know looking at higher base damage and slower speed that Zin'Rokh should be the better weap but before I go and enchant another weapon with Lifesteal, would the strength and wep skill and Obsidian make any comparable difference compared to Zin? I am hit capped already anyway.

So I have been playing ret this time around instead of going prot like I normally do. Now as far as I am aware normally the hit cap of 2h weapons is somewhere between 8-9%. However I have two gear sets, a lightforge based set for more mana, for more consec and sp during AoE fights like the panther boss in zg, this sits me on 8% including talents. My other gearset is currently sitting me 10%. I still miss and quite frequently. So what is the actual cap? Or is my shit bugged and the talents are not adding the 3% because that's what it feels like at the moment!

Okay, so going over my logs for Ony last night and whilst doing other stuff such as farming, dungeons etc while paying close attention I wasn't getting any misses, just the usual dodges every so often. This was after clearing my WTF and WBD folder though, will continue to monitor it but I find it strange that they would affect it in some way :s.

Indeed and I think that's showing my lightforge based set most likely. Will see what happens, doing Ony tonight so I will record the run and look go through it, running some dungeons at the moment as well to test some more.

No I'm on Darrowshire where ZG is very much open haha. And I already am aware of what you have mentioned, I cleared my WBD when I came onto the Elysium servers, gear shows as it should for the relevant patch on Darrowshire

Nah this is on both white and ability hits from command procs. Trying some stuff and testing it further, see if I can get to the bottom of this ¬_¬

Also playing human with unstoppable force so I have that going on my hit rating as well.

200% certain, I can get like 2 in a row at times then followed by an actual dodge, dps drops like a rock! I don't know if clearing the WTF and WBD folders out may correct it, current client was originally downloaded and used for Kronos ages ago so I don't know if that might have something to do with it but I would of thought it shouldn't cause a problem with that. I'm genuinely stumped :s

Yeah that's standard, my problem is I am still getting actual misses which is getting a little frustrating haha.

Agree here 100% go for BRD items and then combine naglering with drake claw band? I'm sure that's the name of it. But Eagle version is the aim, some people might say strength instead of int but more mana means more holy shield uptime etc which is more mitigation and threat Scholo is where most of the good armor you want drops but it is one of the harder dungeons so have some gear before going in here preferably. Also there is an easy to obtain really good tanking chest from the Fordring quest line, if this is available yet anyway, haven't had the time to level that fast and check yet haha.

Welcome to Elysium :). In regards to leveling It would depend which server you were looking at, for the pve server go the standard pve ret spec route. If you are planning on the pvp server though go with the leveling spec theloras suggest, more survivability and reck bomb in general are awesome things, however I leveled on a pvp server as deep ret and had no issues but it's up to you. For gear a lot of what you want can be found on the guides, however lightforge as a set isn't too bad for a good balance of stats and with everything working as it should here you will see improvements from the set bonuses etc. It won't cause you to have the best damage output compared to the full on dps gearing style but you will have more mana to play with allowing you to support your team more etc so it's down to how you like to play.

Ret Paladin can be viable and can do respectable DPS, as already said you will never match a Mage or Rogue, you can however if played and geared right, beat any other hybrid class and I have seen ret paladins who did play correctly back in the day of actual vanilla AND on private servers out dps hunters (not hard) and even arms and on occasion fury warriors, no word of a lie. You also bring far more ultility which if you can mix that in there while still managing to keep the numbers good then you are playing another level. The main problem with ret is a stereotype, its going off from 10+ years ago when people didn't have a clue what they were talking about or what they were doing, even those of us that were in top tier guilds had no way near as much knowledge or info as we do now when working with Vanilla stats and mechanics. Theloras has written an amazing guide with a lot of detail as to how to get the best out of Ret and how mechanics for it work etc, would advise giving it a thorough read so you can understand the class more. https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/23030-theloras-retribution-guide/

Could not agree more with this, especially for offtanking trash/adds. Another spec I would look at If you find yourself struggling for aggro (for some strange reason) or feel you are taking a bit too much damage but want to some of the healing power and to also bring utility then this spec would help out with that, gives you the Holy Shield cooldown for more mitigation/AoE threat & DPS, a faster cooldown on BoP which could save DPS or Healer's lives for your raid, also the imp Concentration aura will be loved by your raid if you have another paladin that can put up Retri for you, spec also allows you to keep Kings which then free's up talents for your other holy paladins. http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sVxuoxZVGtI0umo There are many different styles in which you can change the spec around, personally just find what works for you and go with it :).

Hi. For the cost of items on the ah this depends on which server, the pvp server being the original Nost server will have a lot of transfered high level if not 60 characters which has months to get their profession's at a high level, this may be impacting the cost of items. I would personally say you are going down the right track, skinning and mining are two of the best for your first toon, there are addons that can show you the vendor cost of an item so you can check if it may be worth just vendoring what you would be selling on the AH in the first place, remember you need to take into account deposit costs which if the stack doesn't sell you don't get back. Focus on decent sized bags, get 8 slots asap, if you can get more due to them being cheap get them. Loot everything from mobs, the pennies add up from trash items and some grey and white trash items can be worth a decent amount. If you look it up you can find plenty of tips and tricks to look at. Hopefully this helps you a bit though

Just looking at this, wouldn't the Sageblade be better for pre raid until you can grab the a Azuresong Mageblade from MC? It's expensive I know and the attack speed is a bit fast for SoR but the spell power should help balance that out if not more. Not to mention I don't personally find the gap in weapon speed to damage ratio for SoR too concerning with 1 handers as it only a slight difference normally.

Ah, that's good then, saves messing around with different weapon again. How does the actual threat scaling of RF and Holy Shields threat bonus fair on here from what you have seen so far? would you say it's pretty blizzlike? Last server I tried to play on seemed to have RF'S bonus threat from talents bugged and not apply correctly, same for shield?

Hey man, loving the shared love of prot pally in vanilla! it might be worth mentioning on here that normally a good idea is to have two tanking weapons on you at all times, spell power and an actual tanking weapon, I know toward later gear levels this would not matter so much but at pre raid etc this would be good. Essentially allowing you to use a switch macro for consecration to gain benefits of the spell power weapon and then swapping back to the tank weapon for the stats? Not played on nost prior to starting up again the other day so I'm not sure about mechanics and bugs etc on here but it's what I used to use for raiding back in vanilla when off tanking and even main tanking on occasions.