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:-D LOL Isn't this just for chinese farming goldesellers. I think that to definitely assert that to swap the support for a decked dps would be the best choice, we should at least try it and make a decent comparison. "Serious Guilds" looks like some elitist group of players who know every single details of this game, like a sort of WoW intelligentia. LOL we're all just players. How many people did you met that actually had to sort out by themselves the proper way to get trough a raid by testing support classes? Not many. We all learned from someone else in the long lineage of the whispered tradition that goes directly to the first raid group in retail Vanilla WoW.

Yes, this is the reason why I'm posting here. I want hybrid classes to be more enjoyable, but for that to happen we all need to consider things from a different perspective. First time I played wow, I was taught by players how to go for a dungeon: look for tank, healer and dps. That was back in 2007, I think. I never questioned the model: it works. Is there something else to say? Blizzard listened to us and made WoW more player-friendly, working at encapsulating each class in the tank-dps-heal model because none understood the value and the role of the support classes. That's how Blizzard works on WoW: by responding to players expectations... Just look at what retail is now. "People don't understand support class, ok just turn them into something different" was what someone said back in the days. Vanilla is the only WoW that needed some sort of "interpretation": from tbc onward, the game gradually listened to players more and more. Serious Guild means a group of dedicated players, and I'm not aware of anyone who actually considered the idea of having party members who play different roles in rotation, nor even tested if it works or not: they've been taught to play according to a model that works, but maybe there's a more efficient way. Why not try?

This is definitely true, but considering that ANY class can do damages of some sort, you're not really talking about a trinity as much as the "Holy Couple": the tank and the healer. When you have a tank that engages the mob and a healer that keeps the tank alive, you could even rely on another priest to be focused on damage: it will be a quite long process though. And since the best tank is always the Warrior and the best healer is always the Priest -and when I say "best", I mean that they shouldn't struggle too much with equipment and talents to achieve a good enough level-, you can see that "dps" could be pretty much everything. In the ideal group that I outlined, you have 4 combinations: Warrior, Priest, Mage, Hunter, Paladin/Shaman Warrior, Priest, Rogue, Warlock, Paladin/Shaman Warrior, Priest, Mage, Hunter, Druid Warrior, Priest, Rogue, Warlock, Druid And, as you can see there wouldn't be unbearable conflicts with Loots (for example, the support class Druid wouldn't need the +int cloths because he's support, not healing and a warrior won't need a plate with +int). You have good enough CC and most importantly a secondary tank and a support healer. But this cannot possibly happen if people always think in term of "tank, heal, dps" because the druid, the shaman and the paladin will be forced to encapsulate their class in a single role all the time in PvE. They are forced to choose a specific spec to fit in a specific role: you see druids shapeshifting into a cat at the entrance of the dungeon and never do anything else to maximize damage and truly BE the dps class. Absolutely true. The point that I made here is that we should consider the archetype of the "support" class and not to force hybrids classes to be dps, heal or tank. Why none wants a feral druid in a raid group? Because he's recruited as a dps / tank AND he can't possibly be a good enough dps or a good enough tank, unless he has amazing equipments. But a feral druid can heal when needed, he can tank an elite and he can do some dps: he's support class. People rarely understand this and that's the reason why I won't roll a druid, even if I like the class: I won't because almost none would understand my role as a party member. If I consider the powerful buffs of the paladins and the shaman's totem, plus Mark of the wild from the druid and if I consider that they can play different roles when needed, I can't really see how they don't provide enough. They empower the all group with buffs and active roles instead of just being there so that others benefit from their mere presence (as in other MMos).

Tiriamo le somme. Chi intende rollare alleanza su elysium pvp mi scriva un MP e vediamo di fare un conteggio. Ho scritto ad Alga che dice di averne contati 30, ma non mi ha risposto e credo non si sia più connesso al forum.

Elysium PVE ? E' stato annunciato Elysium PVP

Da quanto ho capito, non ci sono gilde italiane esistenti che abbiano manifestato l'intenzione di spostarsi su Elysium PVP. Credo però che sia sufficente avere 25/30 giocatori per mettere in piedi una nuova gilda.

Ciao a tutti! Io ho giocato qualche mese su Nostalrius pvp lato orda, poi la blizzard ha deciso che era troppo bello... Sono però intenzionato a rollare sul nuovo elysium pvp lato alleanza e avere la possibilità di vedere per la prima volta un wow che parte da zero. Vorrei capire se ne esce un bel gruppo di italiani.