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The first thing you could do is actually address the main issue which is 20 premades vs. 2 premades and people are sick and tired of getting steamrolled by coordinated / heavy stam teams. The afkers are already being punished, I find some irony in punishing them even more while I agree afking is not cool. We just need to realize that Elysiums 60 bracket is not balanced at all and if we want to improve it then try balancing it rather than punishing the people who are already getting punished anyways.

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1. Disagreeing with the thread since the start 2. Better english please or at least a better point because it's irrelivant. 3. I've read it, I would agree it's reasonable but doesn't mean I agree with it so. Learn what a meme is.

Indeed, considering when you get rank 14 you unlock the full set of gear. Of course libtards need everything explained in great detail because they lack common sense.

Damn, you must be jesus getting every piece of gear you need on your first clear. Reminds me of our tank not getting two of his pieces after 3 months of clears. #wisepeoplelikeCaber=Win #RecruitingCabers 1+2= over 9000

Are you trying to be an idiot? I'm saying it takes months to clear "AND" get the gear. Stop trying to read what you want to read because you're only making a fool out of yourself like the other guy.

"In actual retail they weren't updated until Naxx. But they kind of suck, most of them are barely on par with MC gear and will only get worse as time goes on until there's no point in ranking anymore unless you push all the way to the top. On old Nost, many "non-rankers" would queue just for a few weeks just to get 2 or 4 pieces of the set for the set bonuses and because of that Nost always had a very active PVP community. The updated blues also already exist on Anathema. This is probably the one non-blizzlike change that Nost made to pvp that actually worked out for the better." "What about the people who rank after the update? You realize that's exactly what happened in retail anyway right? People who had already ranked and gotten the epic set had it updated when the update was released. And guess what, people who already have the r14 weapons will have them upgraded automagically when BWL releases and the weapons are updated. I'm starting to think you actually agree with me and are just playing devil's advocate by trying to show how retarded and full of logical fallacies and internal inconsistencies the anti-update crowd is. No one can unironically be this dense. " i'm like... Epic "inconsistency", that is truly ironic. It's like i'm talking to a 15 year old that thinks he is right about everything but is actually talking about himself. Nothing I have said is inconsistent. I've stated I disagree with the items being upgraded at BWL because it's instant upgrades that make PvE easier and that I find it a silly system to instantly upgrade them at the next patch. My arguments why I could care less. -Rank 14 is earned by a minority as limited to a couple a week -Most Rank 14 players just mindlessly run 2 min games without any amazing competition making their PvP contribution minimal. -Lol @ instantly upgrading items into the next tier Unless Elysium Staff has changed their minds since you created this thread I'll enjoy continuing to read your bs, stories, and lies. Brb I'll get some more popcorn.

Last I checked, PvP gear will not be updated until after AQ40 unless something has recently changed so I'm not sure how we could ever agree at all.

Less than 25.

I've been invited to premades before but what does that actually have to do with ANYTHING I said? If you're going to insult like a child, try to come up with childish insults, not ones a baby would come up with. I don't bother with premades because I don't live with my mother and can play 12 hours every day, some of us actually have things to do in life. If I lost the argument I'd probably throw some personal insults too. Did saying 'get lost' hurt your feelings? Do we need a safe place here? I don't hate rankers at all just making the point that this PvP system is clearly a time sink, not a skill based system at all and if you're going to say otherwise than your just as deluded as all the people who buy into propaganda news. I can say however I dislike seeing nothing but boring premades steamrolling each BG in 2 minutes making them pointless but I'm sure I speak for everyone who bothers to solo queue. Also I wouldn't mathematically add stamina into a PvE gear equation. Also funny seeing you try to use the word 'fact'. Rogue = GY camped. Hilarious. Good day to you, and just a suggestion I wouldn't continue sharing your logic on the forums as I'm sure you don't want people laughing at you because you just seem ridiculous.

If you want to focus on a play of words go for it, my point still stands. It takes months to CLEAR and get the gear, opposed to instantly upgrading PvP gear that was only earned one time.

Considering I play horde and anytime we queue against a premade 1/2 the team goes AFK or doesn't try, yes I would say so. What garbage are you trying to peddle? seriously get lost.

You mean all them guilds still struggling today? Of course it takes dedicated guilds to clear it quickly and months to still earn the Tier pieces they would use in PvP. Instant upgrading your gear or playing 24 hours a day to "out preform" a skilled person that can PvP only 6 hours a day isn't my definition or hard or "skill based". But kay ^^

Considering there are little to no premades on Horde on Elysium I would say I assume right knowing there is dozens on Alliance and you can queue against 3-4 different ones within the same hour, it's also why Alliance have to gain nearly double the honor each week. I would focus more on facts and less on your subjective and rather weak insults, pvp on a 12 year old game blah blah blah. Seriously stop trying to say living in your mothers basement and playing for honor somehow equals skill, it doesn't. The worst player on the server could play 24 hours a day and get rank 14 as long as he gets the honor. Gladiator was skill based, forcing you to compete and climb a bracket, this PvP system is simply time based and I don't see the alliance guilds on Elysium having much trouble. Deluding, I would agree with you. Don't break the mirror.

Surely your not really this short sighted. Rank 14 is limited to 1-2 people a week, but if playing 15-20 hours a day in premades all week is actually considered hard or difficult to you then you got your definitions mixed up, most simply can't do it because they have real life responsibilities and not everyone is living off their parents and not because they couldn't do it. Trying to equalize rank 14 no lifers to some form of skill is quite silly. It's like saying High Warlord = Gladiator which isn't the case, one involved a heap of time and the other actually evolves skill or difficulty. If you actually read my post you would have realized I was not expressing any form of skill in my post but merely pointing out it requires dedicated guilds to clear content and it would take months to earn the gear. Saying to upgrade PvP gear that you earned 6 months ago into instant Tier 2 quality is silly. It's like PvE players saying turn my MC gear into BWL gear on release day.

Define GM, Game Master, or Guild Master? Every guild has a Guild Master... but yes as far as I know Game Masters keep their identity secret although I'm sure many that play around them know if they are a Game Master.

Sad you can't think outside the box, but i'll explain it to you. In PvE you have to actually go into raids with 40 other players each week, rely on an RNG drop, then be the said winner of that loot. In PvP you move into your moms basement, queue up with 14 others that can play 24/7 just to hit the skillless honor cap, obtain rank 14 items and then have them upgrade INSTANTLY into Tier 2 items and if you let people choose they would expect them to be updated again for AQ40 and Naxx instantly without having to re-obtain them. All it does is make PvE that much easier instantly.

This is very wrong, yes many premades exist mainly on Alliance side and chain queue only the first 4-5 days of the week to get their honor caps but they are not the majority that are PvPing all week long. After that it's just regular pvpers who are actually pvping for fun, not rank 14. I view these people as the good PvP base because they can play games and either side can stand a chance without forming a premade, not the premade cancer that isn't looking for a challenge but ez honor to start with as proved by them ending games as fast as possible, and not queuing all week long when they could. In fact many of those in premades are not allowed to play outside of the premades to ensure their honor is the same. Cancer is cancer, deal with it rather than making excuses for it.

The only people who are ranking to that extreme are premades which are probably the minority anyways. Many of those who PvP do it for fun, not simply gear so I think the gear being low tier is a good thing especially for PvE.

Which trinket exactly? the 2000 armor 30 def rating one from the Heart of Hakkar quest?

I would agree, with the larger population size the rare mobs should respawn similar to how herbs respawn depending on the current server population at the time the rare is killed or tamed.

Anyone know if any LC addons for Vanilla or anyone plan to make one? Surprised there isn't one already that I can easily find.

Items like Don Julio can be replaced in BWL but you'll need to get nef head quest turn in. Rogues Accuria + Nef Head Warriors Quick Strike + Nef Head Julio is an excellent ring to use till then.

Unfortunately this was very predictable since release. With Elysium inheriting the project and having a fresh realm named after their project the majority choose to play on what they felt would last long term. I'm sure Anathema will be just fine if Kronos can survive.

Sorry but merging Elysium with Anathema would be stupid even if it's the same patch. No one wants to see tons of people running around with instant full tier 2/aq gear while Elysium players would need many months after to get on the same level as the Anathema server even if it were the same patch.