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I agree with almost everything you're saying other than one small area. The reason people are hoping for upgrades is because Nostalrius did so, they set a bit of a precident for it which the vanilla playerbase seems to largely preffer than waiting until Naxx and as such have come to expect it. Furthermore, at least t2 does get updated while it's still relevant (just). I suppose alot of the concern around this topic is that without an alternative timeline the rewards don't even come close to being worth the effort required to attain them which makes it drastically different to updated dungeon blues.

Problem here @Phoosy is that they already changed respec costs

Bump

I feel like multi queue would fix alot of problems

Nice to see a week has passed and this is still being ignored by the staff. I've lost 5 regular players in my premades this week because "it's not worth ranking" Much fewer people play for these rewards. Only warriors and rogues have any real pve benefit from ranking now due to this change. Had this discussion with whoever ran elysium before the server launch and initially it was stated that the server would update pvp gear at AQ. Still not perfect but a compromise. I'm sure people would settle for that.

I disagree, so do a lot of people. Life's too short to try and explain it though. I've done too much procrastinating on this thread :P

People premade because it's the most efficient method of grinding honour. If you prioritise premade vs premade games then you remove the incentive to premade, but this thread isn't for people to whine about facing premades. Again, if you don't like facing premades, make your own and win. This thread is for people to make Elysium aware that we're not satisfied with waiting until Naxx for updated pvp gear because by that point it will be worthless.

People do pvp because they enjoy it, but equally, removing any incentive to rank will diminish pvp activity for those who enjoy it. This change only discourages people from participating in pvp. As to premade dodging, there's already a pre vs pre priority in the queue, try playing horde - every game is premade vs premade. I can't remember the last time I faced a Pug.

Wrong again Ape, Critcap is 100% - 8% dodge - 27% miss chance - 40% glancing chance + player hit chance. If you can actually manage to subtract 3 numbers from 100, you'll notice that's 25% not 30%. You're wrong, now please just fuck off. I won't be replying to any more of your bollocks because you clearly have 0 idea how this game works and I'm not wasting my time on you. Pvp gear being upgraded in line with pve gear progression is a valid concern, and if you can't see that you shouldn't even be attempting to contribute to this thread.

Either way, you asked me "what's better before AQ" R12 and Malfurions is better, that's not wrong. Now move on, I want this thread to go back to what it's meant to be about.

the 2% crit is not relevant considering it's negated by worldbuffs and critcap. Anyone in good gear will be close to critcap with just consumables never mind songflower/ony buff The "if you're a tryhard" argument makes no sense, because if you were a tryhard you'd have the r12 legs making this discussion absolutely poinltess. Equally, with the correct gear you still end up with ridiculous amounts of crit with worldbuffs and consumables due to the lack of hit in the game right now.

Even without r12, you can use cloudkeeper and malfurion's have 120AP with 1% overall crit.

Unupgraded r12 legs (16 str+2crit+1hit) and Malfurions (40 str chest) Total: 112AP 2% crit 1% hit. Crit is basically wasted considering you'll be over critcap with wbuffs and consumables anyway so you're better off going for pure str/ap/hit How's that for substance, Ape.

I was referring to the blue updated 2set, it's not bis for warriors. Either way, Faves is completely right, this is an important issue.Regardless of me bickering with an imbecile, it's something that needs looking into instead of being ignored by the staff, particularly when the previous people running the server already stated clearly that it would be released 2 weeks into AQ40 (not great but a fair compromise). Elysium have already deleted the thread confirming this though :/

What server was this on? Because it wasn't Elysium. I've played in the top guilds on Elysium since launch, and if you think that blue 2set is bis then I'm sorry but you actually don't know what you're talking about. Settle down kid, you got good rng on one bossfight and think that's relevant? It's not.

and if there's another post with 6 pages of arguments, perhaps Elysium should listen to these people's concerns instead of sweeping it under the rug.

2set isn't bis for warriors, you clearly don't know what you're talking about so please stop getting involved.

Blizzlike is no reason not to upgrade the gear at a more sensible time. Especially considering this server has already shown that it doesn't mind stepping away from blizzlike (respec cost changes, DM/N changes to stop hunters solo-farming, DM/E Lasher packs, random devilsaur spawns instead of 15m spawn timers, battlegrounds before patch 1.5) Tier 2 gear is better than the blue set in 99% of cases, and better than the epic set for most classes as well since pvp specs are usually vastly different to pve specs. Once again, ZG is the optimal time to update the gear because it makes it fairly even with the gear available at the time, why else do you think Nostalrius did it that way? "Screw premade vs premade" Sorry mate, try playing horde, every game is premade vs premade and it's hella fun. Nobody's asking for anything special here, it's not a "GIVE ME ITEMS" thread, it's a please do the sensible thing Elysium thread.

Hi, I'm here to suggest a change to the timeline that Elysium have reverted to, the initial "blizzlike" timeline of updating the blue and epic pvp gear in the Naxx patch. This is a mistake, and to highlight that we should take a look at how Nostalrius did it. They updated the blue set in BWL, and the epic set in ZG to keep it in line with current content progression. This is a necessary change to Blizzard's original timeline for a number of reasons in order to make ranking for any class other than Warriors and Rogues worth it from a pve standpoint. All the ranking gear (with very few exceptions) becomes completely obsolete in AQ40. What's the point in making un-blizzlike changes to the server, to promote pvp activity (25g respec cap among other things) if you're going to completely ruin casual pvp participation among the community with a decision like this? (in the case of the blue r7-10 set being useless) The simple answer, is that it's quite obvious that very little consideration has been put into this decision, because anyone looking at the situation logically would realise that it's not the correct decision to make. Why would you waste 1200 hours on a rank 13 grind when current BWL gear is better? It's very obvious, you wouldn't. Nobody would. Same situation in AQ/Naxx/Anywhere after ZG patch basically, what's the point in wasting all of your time on a grind that gives you no reward? You wouldn't. Please don't cite "it's blizzlike" because that's a cop-out of an answer as there's been un-blizzlike changes already made to this server in the aim of balancing things like the economy (DM lasher packs/Pickpocket changes) and equally, you can't use "well nostalrius did it" as an excuse either when that was the response I was given about why using Stinkyqueue to raid queue AV was bannable on Elysium. Even if you don't take my feedback onboard, I'd appreciate a solid and reasoned response as to why you feel this is a good idea. Thank you for your consideration. They're deleting my post and not dealing with it anyway.

Hi, I'm here to suggest a change to the timeline that Elysium have reverted to, the initial "blizzlike" timeline of updating the blue and epic pvp gear in the Naxx patch. This is a mistake, and to highlight that we should take a look at how Nostalrius did it. They updated the blue set in BWL, and the epic set in ZG to keep it in line with current content progression. This is a necessary change to Blizzard's original timeline for a number of reasons in order to make ranking for any class other than Warriors and Rogues worth it from a pve standpoint. All the ranking gear (with very few exceptions) becomes completely obsolete in AQ40. What's the point in making un-blizzlike changes to the server, to promote pvp activity (25g respec cap among other things) if you're going to completely ruin casual pvp participation among the community with a decision like this? (in the case of the blue r7-10 set being useless) The simple answer, is that it's quite obvious that very little consideration has been put into this decision, because anyone looking at the situation logically would realise that it's not the correct decision to make. Why would you waste 1200 hours on a rank 13 grind when current BWL gear is better? It's very obvious, you wouldn't. Nobody would. Same situation in AQ/Naxx/Anywhere after ZG patch basically, what's the point in wasting all of your time on a grind that gives you no reward? You wouldn't. Please don't cite "it's blizzlike" because that's a cop-out of an answer as there's been un-blizzlike changes already made to this server in the aim of balancing things like the economy (DM lasher packs/Pickpocket changes) and equally, you can't use "well nostalrius did it" as an excuse either when that was the response I was given about why using Stinkyqueue to raid queue AV was bannable on Elysium. Even if you don't take my feedback onboard, I'd appreciate a solid and reasoned response as to why you feel this is a good idea. Thank you for your consideration.

Please stop ignoring this problem Elysium. It is a problem, and if you can't see why it's a stupid decision, then you shouldn't be running a vanilla server. It's actually that simple.

Get level 5 in 50 minutes with this exploration route for Elysium Launch! As shown in the title, I've been working on this for a while now and I think I've got a pretty good route. It can be tailored to all alliance races if you work on it a bit yourselves. Good luck!

The spawn is completely random within a set time window, usually there's a good fight over world-bosses. The reason Azuregos died in 8 minutes is because our coalition had just finished their normal raid schedules when she spawned. So Praise and DEMISE could bring almost 80 fully buffed fully flasked people immediately to Azshara right after their MC/Ony raids. That's why it was so fast - really fortunate timing for us :) In general yes, alliance guilds are more tryhard than horde guilds in pve on elysium so that part of your post is correct, and we do usually get azuregos kills, but like I say - we got lucky with the timer on this occasion!

1500 really? no way, maybe 1400

At least one more as always my friend ;)