nooobieee

Fix your flawed premise and it would be worth reading...

Restating your flawed premise does not make it less flawed. I did not state any reason for needing on the BOE, I simply stated that the value of the item is the same for every member of the group. You have not demonstrated any argument that negates that assertion.

If you have to change my words to give a meaning that suits you, then you're simply wrong. I did not say "gold value", I said "value". I told you exactly what is flawed about your logic, which is to claim the person who would receive an upgrade gains more value from a BoE item then a group member who does not gain an upgrade from that item. That premise is flawed.

Your premise is flawed. Nothing that follows that premise matters, as it is also thus fatally flawed. It is true that needing a BoE and needing a BoP is precisely the same thing in the case of an upgrade (and no one argues one should not roll need in both cases). However, to the other members of the group, needing on the BoE also has the same precise value as for the person who would receive an upgrade. Needing on the BoP has a much lower value, and that is why the Need before Greed system exists. A good enhancement to the system would simply be to remove the "Need" button for BoE items allowing people to "Roll" or "Pass" depending on their personal choice to roll on the item or not.

You do no such thing. I read your entire "wall of text" as you put it. There is no valid argument there to counter the stated precise equal value of a BoE item to every member of the group. There has been no stated reason to favor anyone in the group over another regardless of class or role.

The value of the item is all that matters. Your examples don't apply to BoE items as the gold value is equally sufficient to fill any need for the item.

I exactly countered your argument. I stated the precise value of BoE items to every member of the group irrespective of their class or role in the group. And contrasted that with the differing value of BoP items.

wPvP is not wintrading. Helping the opposing faction to win in PvP and vice versa is wintrading. And that has been reported here.

Because people are PvP wintrading in Un'goro.

Nosleep, your argument is flawed. If the item is BoE then the value is pretty much by definition the price of the item on the AH. That means its value is precisely the same for every player in the group. If someone for whom it would be an upgrade loses the roll, she has the immediate opportunity buy it from the winner. For BoP, the value is the vendor/DE value to most group members, but much higher to those who will use the item and not have to buy an item (which may be inferior) on the AH for much more then the vendor value. Indeed, you could argue the item is priceless if it is BoP and also BiS for someone. But for everyone else, it's the vendor price or the DE value. Regardless, BoP items are regulated through need/greed rolling (if you can't equip it you can't select need in the first place).

When I was in that situation I did get summoned by a warlock. I don't see why it wouldn't work for you.

So, your answer is that you just have to be soooo much better then the opposing faction that they can't win even if they cheat. That's a pretty stupid notion. And it argues that there just should never be any rules ever. For anything.

I did no such thing. So now we know you have a history of just making stuff up.

No, not better. But not worse either. If you ask people to accept your baseless assertions, why shouldn't they accept what the OP is asserting? If the motivation is just controlling an area for fun, why not pick Orgrimmar or Stormwind? Why kill the devilsaurs at all?

Just asserting something doesn't make it true, or credible.

You can spend exactly the same amount of time leveling a new toon. I don't understand your comment.

I see, that's too bad.

No, but perhaps I know more about what you should or shouldn't. You tell me.

What do you mean by "attempted"? They were not successful?

No you can't. But regardless you agree it is abuse and so should have no issue with calling it what it is and holding people accountable.

I'm glad you agree with me and I hope you join me in calling for banning people engaging in this abusive wintrading.

Helping the opposing faction to win in PvP and they helping you is wintrading. No, you can't just dominate because your own team is helping the other side so unless you engage in the same abuse you can't dominate.

That's called wintrading. Partnering with the opposing faction to win and vice versa. Also, if you had read the thread, you would know that players are not just asking the opposing faction to come kill their own faction's players they are helping the opposite faction players win by, for example, healing them.

Again, the point is not that some group is trying to corner the market on some resource. The point is two groups are wintrading against their own faction. Helping the opposing faction win PvP fights is wintrading and against the rules.

Pottu's point is that it's a lower priority issue for them because there are some unnamed ways to actively work against it. No one has said what these ways are though. I can't prevent a same faction player from sheeping the opposite faction to heal them, and that by definition unfairly tilts the playing field in their favor. Should I enlist opposite faction players to sheep me to even it out? Do you know how stupid that sounds?