Mahtan

This sums it all up. There is no need to merge Darrowshire into the other realms and there is no need to force anyone (especially old Nostalrius PvE players who chose it due to population issues) to stay on Darrowshire. It would be the solution that burdens the Elysium team most, but it would also make the biggest amount of people happy.

Calling yourself former staff member is a bit of a stretch. Community ambassadors have not been involved that deep into the project and you did not do it longer than some weeks >.< Your egocentric "give my R14 warrior some lambs to slaughter"-motivation, your missing empathy regarding PvE-only players and everything I have experienced of you on Darrowshire make me think that you are a sociopath. 200 days /played on a server that is hardly online for two years (Nost+Elysium time) is alarming. Going on such a personal level is dirty, I know. And I should shut up because I don't have a track record for being a stable personality myself, too. But seriously, you have a problem Nelythia. You try to destroy the experience for a huge number of people, even though you could improve your own experience without hurting anyone actually: play on Elysium or Anathema and stop your witch hunt against Darrowshire.

Great work! /cheer

Many people on Darrowshire will leave Elysium Project when an upcoming merge with Anathema/Elysium is official. A merge will render hundreds, maybe even thousands of characters obsolete. I know people from <Red Sector A> (horde) who will leave the project immediately. I just emailed with one of them today. Its so depressing to see that this door has been opened by that Q&A and that this silly discussion has been started as a consequence. It would be so nice if Elysium actually confesses that their PvE community is valueable and something they are proud of. This fucking 1.12 PvE realm is the only good option in the internet for PvE-only players. People who still play here are thankful for everything you provide and now they are scared that their PvE status will not persist. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Once you suggest that there might be an upcoming merge into a PvP realm if population shrinks too much (whatever that means), then the population will shrink because people are scared, demotivated and annoyed by that threat alone - so that a merge becomes unavoidable and any discussion becomes pointless.

Human beings tend to project their hopes and wishes onto an upcoming product. The mechanism is commonly referred to as "hype". Maybe Crestfall will live up to its hype. Maybe it will turn out to be vaporware like CoreCraft. We will see...

Ignore Crestfall, it is a different project. Merge Anathema and Elysium, once Naxx is released on both realms for some months. Let Darrowshire stay a PvE realm. Open up 3 TBC realms (2x PvP and 1x PvE), all with the same patch. Merge the 2 PvP realms, if you feel the need to do so. That's what I would prefer.

I play on RP-PvE realm "Die Nachtwache" (German) at the moment. It has a population of less than 50 people online around 2:00am-6:00am, not including x-realm players. That is low, but by far not the lowest population realm. That has been the case during Classic and TBC, too. European realms don't share a bunch of time zones, so during the night they have always been ghost towns. This is one specific example that shows the madness behind "Darrowshire is dead". You will never see such low numbers on Darrowshire, because it's an international realm. The realm feels quite vibrant compared to mid and low population retail realms from today and the past, especially before the introduction of x-realm. Not every realm must be 8k players like Elysium. Before Nostalrius, I had played on The Rebirth for years, a very solid 1.12 realm from the past. It had 200-500 players online most of the time and was still very enjoyable, although super-dead if I look at it from your perspective. For silent readers: Nelythia is a R14 horde player on Darrowshire and frustrated with the server. Instead of doing anything constructive, he is just flaming in every thread for that topic and tries to destroy the server and its community with his toxic insults. Thank you Roxanne Flowers for dealing with his arguments.

The best thing about world buffs is that moment when your super serious dps warrior guy dies at first trash in MC and all his buffs are lost XD

Nelythia, just delete your character(s) on Darrowshire. Let it go. [insert Frozen song link]

Elysium is quite laggy. I would prefer Anathema/Darrowshire as a new player for that reason alone >.<

I deleted my druid (over 80 days /played) and installed retail again due to this change. Stuff like 3 man BG queue cap, banning of whole guilds or "maybe we will merge Darrowshire into the other realms" make me so happy because I don't need to regret anything. Lvl 110 demonology is a blast. I have 5-13 demons active at once. Its almost like playing Necromancer in Diablo 2 but in WoW. Well... Elysium is still open source. So from a moral standpoint they are still awesome and cool. I still don't like their recent decisions. :P

lol Nelythia is just pissed that people don't share his opinion xD

It is deleted! I just created a lvl 1 alliance char with that name to reduce chances that the char can be resurrected ^^ Oh Nelythia... Nicht dunkel, aber schön und entsetzlich wie der Morgen. Tückisch wie die See, stärker als die Grundfeste der Erde, Alle werden dich lieben und verzweifeln.

The last thread about this topic has been removed yesterday. I bet that this thread will be removed, too. I am so happy that I don't play on Elysium servers anymore. Banning a whole guild (=innocent people) is pure madness and reading from Nelythia that it would be the right thing to do would annoy me even more. This way I don't have to make nazi comparisons, we all win! ^.^

Nothing is set in stone and each variable can still be changed regarding Anathema, Darrowshire and Elysium going TBC at some point. But lets assume they go TBC with optional transfers which are just a copy of your character on the new realm. Example: You got your 60 undead rogue "Nightstriker" on Anathema and when they open "Anathema TBC" you copy it to this new realm. My question is: What do you think would happen with the old 1.12 realm(s) if they were still running? Which numbers would you expect? As someone who observed the fate of many projects over the last ~6 years, I would argue that it's very hard to predict the outcome, but that makes it even more tempting for me to read about your predictions. ;)

Anecdotal... I outhealed my 8/8 T2 class leader more than once (Regrowth spam at Vael, I did not die at Nef during class calls due to higher life pool with hybrid gear etc) with just 5 points in restoration. Therefore my facepalm doesn't stop :D btw... I already gave up with this community. I play retail for some months now and I am very happy there. It's so liberating when people do not know encounters and have to learn it... Classic servers are attracted by all these elitist players who can finally proof themselves that they can achieve something in their life (just a theory). Therefore, glhf kkthxbb ^^

Blizzard once said that managing WoW is like governing a small state. I think Lorilay has a good point. I highly doubt they did that change based on data. Compare it to real life politic... It's more like that populist solution that is attractive at first sight, but creates more problems than it solves xD

Sorry for being offtopic, but I would like to respond to that ^^ I play my spec like I played it during vanilla and tbc, no crime here. I connect wonderful memories with that kind of playing. You surely know that in retail, people have never been that elitist in the most part. The lack of fresh and undiscovered content changes that attitude tremendously on Elysium, not only for the better. Lower respec cost do not really help with that :D Ironically, I was member in <limited edition> on Darrowshire horde for my last months, which is advertised as one of the elite guilds for that server/faction. I was not part of the main raid, but supported the alt raid as tank/heal and was able to help with ZG and other stuff, like helping with UBRS to farm beast ace for the third healer that needs it in a row xD My personal decision to stop playing here is complex, like it's always the case. I dislike the shift from Nostalrius "true to the original" mentality to some kind of "we do not copy, but keep the feeling" which doesn't work for me sadly. The feeling on Elysium (and Nost) is already so different to retail back in the days. I played on a roleplay server, it was a German speaking server, the game was fresh and new, it was the first mmo for many people, you had a paywall to pass (less children) and so on. It's IMPOSSIBLE to keep the feeling of back in the days. But I enjoyed Nost and Elysium nevertheless. Things got kind of stale. Darrowshire horde is a ghost town for someone who just loves doing dungeons. I dislike raiding very much when it's difficult. I raided AQ40 until twins and the first bosses in Naxx during retail vanilla, I am just done with anything in a video game that is feeling like work. Anyway, I stop here, I guess you understand now that reading about "suboptimal" specs and "raiding more seriously" will only lead up to me doing the facepalm. As a sidenote, to get back to topic. People, yes admins and GMs too, tend to talk like they know who is a vocal minority and what the majority thinks. I guess that most people don't read the forum or reddit and just play or stop playing when they dislike something. Custom changes like the 3-people queues are very dangerous to implement. I bet that over 90% of players who are unhappy about the change will not tell you anything and just stop PvP, stop playing at all or just continue to do PvP and still disliking it, increasing the chance that the next big custom change will fear them away. In the end, these changes are implemented blindly and it's almost impossible to foresee their effectiveness and popularity. Many projects have failed (Feenix is a recent example) because they tried out too much custom bullshit without really evaluating their consequences. I hope that this does not happen for Elysium.

You answered your question. I don't pvp, but 25 gold respec cost is a PvE change, too. I played a druid with hybrid spec to provide healing/tanking depending on raid setup (ZG, MC, etc). Cheaper respec cost lowers the tolerance of such hybrid specs and is absolutely not what I want to deal with. I also disliked that after implementation, the change has not been allowed for discussion.

I hate pvp, but I joined premades on Darrowshire horde to help guild members with their ranking. Even a bad druid is nice to have for wsg, right? ;) The thing is... Most matches were our premade vs pug groups. They were unfair to some degree. But since our premade groups contained noobs like me, it was still not super unfair, they won games, too. Premade groups are not always groups with 10 pro gamers.

I doubt that. It will annoy some people on Darrowshire/Anathema, but it's not like these servers are flourishing these days anyway.

They will most likely just close this thread and new threads about this topic. That's how they deal with "discussions" in this forum.

That's what whitekidney most likely thinks about you. This forum is just a waste of time. Don't try to change anything for the better. They are not worth your efforts.

This custom change has not been discussed with the community before implementation. Opening post has good reason to be raging.

Your custom changes are increasingly insane. You lost me at 25 gold respec cost already, but it's amusing to observe further development. What's the next step? What about a 20 minute time limit for WSG? ^^