petroix

Why 3.6 is ideal? 3.8 is worse? I thought the slower the better.

I played on many servers and expansions back in the days (tbc, wotlk, cata) on retail too, but when I tried vanilla for the first time, both Nostalrius and Elysium.. I have never seen so much hate, harassment and malignancy. I thought vanilla would be a great and mature experience but it looks like there are tons of retarded kids, who loves to ruin the game for others. I met some nice people ofc, but still I'm disgusted anyway.

Hmm, very strange. I'll have to test that on Elysium then. But how I said before, Prot imo is unplayable on Elysium. No matter where I go, all spots are occupied and if I only just pull anything they gank me immediately. So many 60's ganking too. You just can't do anything and anywhere. I took my friend mage with me, we tried DM lashers together. I'm not even saying we died like 15 times untill we finally got to the entrance because of 60's corpse camping. Inside there are only 4 lasher packs, so it's not as good as i expected. And they drop 95% herbs only. Only 4 packs and you have to die, run from cementary and reset? It's not even close to be efficent imo. We both were very disappointed. So we went to WPL. 2 pulls, and we got ganked by ofc not 1, not 2 but 3 hordes. And one of them was lvl 60 ofc. This is ridiculous, I had several minutes waiting time for respawn. I have completely no idea how are you supposed to aoe grind/farm on that server but imo its impossible. I lost almost a week flying everywhere and trying to grind and lots of gold for AH items but I know at least now, that I won't go prot never again on high pop server. Anathema has 2,7k online now, Elysium 6,2k maybe that's why it is working somehow for you, idk.

Hmm.. I'd say leveling prot is better on low pop servers - ret however on high pop like Elysium. It's just what I think, here is why: Ret kills mobs 1 by 1 so it's easy to keep full HP/mana all the time and be prepared for ganking/pvp. Now imagine Prot pulling 5+ mobs and someone ganking him. There are players everywhere on Elysium. Same goes with farming/grinding spots, I was flying everywhere today to check several zones and all spots were occupied + I've been ganked few times. Ret isn't as good as prot against melee classes but it can still do fine with some engi items + can try to fight any other class what cannot be said about prot. Do I think right? Or there is an option to level as Reckoning/Ret so you stack up while fighting melee classes :) I decided to do a test on instant 60 server, regarding: And idk what I'm doing wrong but I always get one proc, no more. I have Blackhand Doomsaw with Fiery Weapon and Reckoning talent. No matter what, it always procs once. The only exception is SoR, it procs 5 times if I'm stacked. But if I use Seal of Light it will heal me one time. Same with Wisdom and Command. And my weapon chance on hit procs only once too. Fiery Weapon procs 1-2 times.

I always pick Ret for leveling because it's a damage dealing tree. I can heal/tank/dps in dungeons if I keep some different gear sets with me. And I feel more safe in PvP, this is maybe the biggest reason. Could you compare all above with Prot so I can see the differences? ;) So what if I go Prot tree first (while leveling a new paladin) and leave Consecration for later? Just to get Holy Shield at 40. I can also go Holy for Consecration at the start but can be hard without BoS and Holy Shield. It's 11lvls delay. By RF I mean Righteous Fury. It's only for dungeons so I could put these 3 points into something more useful. People say even Retri can tank low level dungeons with 1h+shield so I'd like to skip RF :) Reckoning seems really complicated. Can be hard to learn how and when to use it, especially in PvP. "Should I /sit now or maybe I should attack?" Hehe :D

Thanks again, I understand now what you mean, I hope :) So my weapon enchant and proc bonus are "theoretically" treated like two more melee swings? And each of these swings can cause my Seal to procs. Man, I never knew about that :P Saying I'm a tank I didn't mean actually tanking dungeons. I'm not interested in this, except 1 quest run for each dung. I leveled in Ret and changed to Prot for AoE grind/farm. I just wanted to avoid ganking while getting last 10lvls and try something new + farm some gold. I thought Prot Pala can be much better at least in gold farming than Ret Pala. Leveling as Prot you mean AoE grinding? I was sure I need to be a tank to keep so many mobs on me and not die. That's why I bought something with +def etc. And when you /sit stack your Reckoning you don't attack in the meantime? You only attack when full stacked or how exactly you do it? Last question about the spec. I was always wondering which way is a bigger loss, going Holy tree first for Consecration but getting very important BoS and HS very late or going Prot tree first but getting Consecration very late. I really can't decide which is better :D Btw. do I need Improved RF? I'd like to put them somwhere else. Unfortunatelly I play on Eysium ;/ But mate, in general, you explained some things to me, thanks a lot!

Hey, thank you for your post man! :) I have Thrash Blade from Maraudon. But I think I didn't understand what you were saying about weapon procs. I thought a weapon with stats like +stam +str would be better. Why weapon proc bonus or proc enchant should affect the chance of seal to proc? Is it connected somehow or what? When I was leveling in Ret I never heard or read anywhere to use a 2H weapon with proc bonus or proc enchant because my Seal of Command will procs more often or something. Sorry maybe I just didn't understand exactly. Should I have Reckoning talent? I read somewhere that it's not working as good because mobs very rarely crit you if you are a tank. Also at level 51 my build looks like http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent#sE0zZVhxcezVo so I have no Reckoning yet. I always switch between Seal of Light and Seal of Wisdom. Btw. is Seal of Light healing (with Reckoning) worth to lose so much HP due to /sit taking crits? The rest I'm doing like you suggest. It look like that: I'm pulling 4-5 mobs, Blessing of Sanctuary and Retri aura up, cast Holy Shield and Consecration, cast Seal of Light and I'm auto attacking. Then I switch between Seals till the end. And cast again Holy Shield when is availabe again. Using consecration as you suggest. However my Retri aura does 16 dmg so it's super weak imo. I have problems tanking 5 green mobs, my damage is super low and I'm dying quite fast. I don't have any trinkets yet. If you're level 51 maybe we can meet ingame and you show me how are you doing with your prot? :)

They said prot can farm/grind and make gold. I thought I could lvl up fast like that guy in DM on lashers getting 650xp for each lasher. But I can't even take 5 yellow mobs. Not to mention wherever I go I see even 3x 60's farming everywhere even 40+ maps, this is ridiculous. What you mean, what you did there? I'm not sure if Ret is so strong, every magic/ranged class will probably beat me. Maybe Reckoning but if you're not stacked then gg. I'm first time playing vanilla and I wanted to understand how Paladin works here but my teaching isn't going well ;p It's completely different world compared to wotlk pala.

Yes I got Thorium Spike Shield. I didn't mean 5 mans with people but maybe I could do some of them solo? Like farming lashers in DM but I'm too low lvl and too weak for that yet. The problem is that all spots are overcrowded, in WPL I already see 60's ganking when I only just land from gryph. I tried several spots on several maps and in Prot it's even more hard cus if you pull and start fighting and someone gank you then you're 100% dead. Can you say if tanking 4-5 mobs in Prot is same efficient as doing it in Ret but just killing them one by one? In Ret you kill faster, and don't have to regen or use your CD's. In Prot you ofc pull 4 or 5 but you kill them in 10 years and you end up using bubble, bandages and sometimes potion and have to regen after each pull. What's the point of prot then, can someone explain?

Hi, can you explain me one thing i.e. I want to sell an item and its vendor price is 1g and deposit 50s so I put it on A/H for 1,50g+ not less. Is it right? But there is also A/H fee, is it possible to see how high it is for each item? I see so many items mostly profession or cloths that costs like 3-10s more than vendor price but their deposit cost is like 10-20s so people are actually losing money or what? I don't even put most of my items on A/H because most A/H prices are close to vendor price and if you pay deposit then it's no profit.

Mhm good info, thanks.

So vs everything other than Paladin/Rogue/Warrior and without being full stacked before the fight, you can do shit?

Was that guy a full stacked reckoning? What if someone attack you first and you have zero stacks, can you still do well or is there a secret method to stack it during the fight?

Hey, is it possible to get +HitChance +CritChance items at low level while leveling? Or enchants or anything to just make my char hit and crit more often? If yes then can you say how? Thanks.

Can you explain a little more I mean the differences between target levels and how much hit I need for each? It works the same way in PvP? Because in duels I had a feeling that I was hitting more often and while leveling and fighting mobs I was missing a lot.

Mhm ok. So while leveling I want Precision 3/3 because there is no hit gear at low level. But at 60 with 5% from gear, Precision 2/3 is enough. Ty for info.

So I always need 3% Precision and 5% from gear, no matter if it's Human or other race?

Because sometimes I miss 3 times in a row. And dodge after that. So as paladin in this case, 90% dmg I do is with auto attacks. And seal proc but it can dodge/resist too. It happens while fighting yellow mobs, same level then.

Hello :) I played ret pal in TBC/Wotlk but vanilla is my first time and.. yeah it's not the same ret for sure. I'm still leveling so I have no idea how it is at 60 but ret pal seems very weak and much RNG depending. In PvP even Hunter (same lvl) almost killed me in MELE. That's ridiculous. I got only auto attack hit once per 3,5s and that's pretty much all. And it's a miss/dodge/parry very often. If Vengeance and SoC procs then it's super strong but most of the time I can only pray for that. So I'm really confused, I watched some videos and read guides but it looks like it's just the way it is. What I think about specs: Ret build with 2H seems useless. It's pretty much weak auto attack only. Holy build can't kill anything because it's not a dmg dealer. Prot build is reckoning I assume. And guys, I really don't get it. Do you really allow players to attack and try to kill you while you just /sit and wait for somemething to stack up? Wtf? And what if they won't crit you? But just rape you and kill? And after each kill you have to wait again to kill someone else. I don't get it. It's simillar to hitting with auto attack in Ret and praying for RNG. You are just allowing people to kill you in that time. And I have seen already some videos and it looks like it's very easy in vanilla to kill people in 1-2 shots for most of the class. I don't know, I just say what I think logically on first sight. That's why I'll really appreciate your help and all your tips. If you can explain some things to me, I'll be very grateful ;)

Shit, not good then. I miss/dodge/parry and sometimes resist so often. With a weapon like ~3.8 attack speed it's very problematic.

Thanks for links. So it's like I thought ;/ I really need hit chance much earlier than ~48+ Are there any other boosts except gear items? Can I get more hit from something else? Btw. agi = crit chance? What's the difference between items that have agi and crit chance?

I read something about Paladin that doesn't need to put Precision talent 3/3 if he is a Human, is it truth? They say 2% is enough to cap hit. Can someone confirm?

Bump, just one thing what's the best Paladin for PvP and how it works/how to play it in vanilla.

Thanks for reply :) I want to go holy for PvE raids, the reason is obvious. But I want to get PvP gear and I don't know what spec is good for PvP because I'd not say any. For BG's probably Holy because it's the best healer in plates. But I'm more interested in 1vs1, world PvP etc. so I want to be actually able to kill other classes and not only mele Rogue/Warrior. Because having chance as paladin to win against 2 out of 8 classes looks bad. - Ret imo is weak. You have only auto attack hit once per almost 4sec and you must pray for RNG. You probably can't kill any ranged/magic class. I have problems even with mobs on Elysium and I tried instant 60 server and was no difference. Other classes with the same starting set were killing mobs 4x faster and with full HP. - Ret spellpower? People are saying you can play it with 2H or 1H+Shield but spellpower Paladin seems super weird to me. And you probably need a very specific gear for that. And I don't see consecration to be good for PvP lol. Huge mana cost and it works maybe vs warrior/rogue only. I don't want it in my spec for sure. - Reckoning, can someone explain how it works? I tested it on that instant 60 server but you can't normally attack while waiting for stacks? Cus if you hit you reset the stacks. And I wasn't even killing a normal 60lvl mob with full stacks so it seems weak. You have to /sit and let people crit you to make some burst dmg. As ret you can do the same but in 4x longer time but without losing HP due to crits. So Ret or Reckoning Bomb both seems to be weak. So I hope you can put some light on the matter how it really is.

Hey guys, Can you help me explain what weapons should a Rogue use and why? People say sth about main/off hand and weapon speed that is better but I always look at weapon dps and just pick the highest. Also I wonder if I should go with combat swords build (there is no way to use ambush/bs right? or dagger for "one shot" killing so I understand crit and ambush/bs. Can you link any? And ofc I have no idea what weapons should I look for to use in each build and in what slot should I put them. I really want to learn this class but it's the most complicated class in wow for me lol. I'll be very grateful for info thanks.