Caber

> it requires dedicated guilds to clear content and it would take months to earn the gear. How many months of hard work did it take for Anathema guilds to get cthun down? How many months of hard work did it take for the serverfirst Rag kill on Ely? Rag in this patch drops better weaponry than the r14 weapons, mind you, because they failed to have them at their proper strength. Face it, "achieving" PvE loot nowadays (yes, nowadays) comes down to reading guides and having a lot of other people in your guild that also put in the huge effort to read those guides. I'm sure the person raidleading or the person handling guild organization puts in a lot of legwork to get the guild there... but that's a small amount of people out of the 40 who are eligible for loot.

If obtaining rank 14 items is so easy, why doesn't everyone do it? If raiding is so hard, why are 50+ guilds in MC and almost everyone runs around in MC gear?

Well in the case of darrowshire you have to type /pvp first

Alrighty thanks a ton!

Hey thanks for the clarification! There's one point I'm still unsure about though. If I want to do this, would I have to delete the Ely Caber before or after ZK shuts down? I just want to be completely sure I wont lock myself out of the name by some stupid mistake.

Kek, can't escape the fucking Anathema guild recruitment anywhere. Also, what's the deal with naming? Will there be an issue if I have a character with the same name as the character to be transferred on Ely? I.e. I have Caber on both ZK and Ely. Will it tweak out and delete ZK Caber if I transfer without deleting Ely Caber? Will it merely prompt a rename? Can I still delete low level Caber AFTER transfers or do I have to do it before them? We sort of DESPERATELY need info on this. There's a shitton of people in the exact same situation here.

I'm sure there would be some backlash, but I'm not so sure people would be deleting their characters over it as some idiotic way to make a point. It's no surprise that the less reasonable side of the argument also has the less reasonable people arguing for it.

Yeah there's like one guy who deleted his character and umm... I think someone on a forum somewhere didn't like the change so he said a bad thing

>changes made to keep people playing >people who dont even play anymore complain Seems like a good thing

You're beating a select few people in performance. I assume not many of the 1000's of other players are similiarly geared, so they're not in your weight class to begin with. WIthin your weight class, you're probably like number 15 out of 20. Which, if you really think about it, is bottom of the barrel performance. You didnt click those buttons hard enough and the 12 year old dragon didn't die quick enough. Too bad! I hope you can soon find another achievement to try and impress people with. Surely someone will care if you're number 14 out of 20? Or perhaps you have to branch out, and become the absolutely competitively acting pachinko machine player.

If hand of rag is so bad at pve, why does the guy using it outperform you? Could it be you're shit

Yeah you do seem like the kind of retard who would consider beating 12 year old dragon AI a competitive achievement

Perhaps you would be doing better than Top 50 if you weren't using arguably mediocre equipment.

Well you're pretty fucking terrible at picking a server mate, we got AB here and shit With that sentiment I genuinely thank you devs for looking past the arbitrary limitation of blizzlike vs nonblizzlike and making changes to improve the actual server we have here. PvP here would've been terribly boring without AB, and just like that I think tuning down respec costs will make the whole experience (especially for people who usually dont pvp) a lot more interesting.

I wanna see a raider that dedicates 10 hours a day just to raiding. And 10 hours is a very very generous number, I probably would play more like 16-20 hours a day, depending on how it goes. Given that this doesn't exist because it's not necessary, why the fuck would a pvper who does put in that amount of legwork and time not get better items? Nobody is saying to boost it all to Naxx level, but BWL is fucking PUGGABLE EASILY. Why would gear you get from a 3 months grind with absolutely no break not be better? Also what the actual fuck are you talking about, r8 gives you absolute garbage items. The only thing thats decent at best is the chest, but it's still not even close to BiS. The boots are good but not BiS either.

Lel, that's a fucking joke. How hard could it be to put a sunder armor proc effect on a sword? I've seen more complicated custom weapons made by lone russian progrommers fucking around with a privately hosted server and uploading to youtube with eurobeat playing.

Dawg it seems you skipped a post. You got nothing to say to this? We're already on non-blizzlike progression when ti comes to pvp stuff. We're already on non-blizzlike pve itemization. BRE is supposed to be a FRACTION of its power right now, IF IT WAS BLIZZLIKE. WHY DOES THIS NOT BOTHER YOU? Because you think "well for a warrior raiding would be pretty pointless without BRE so I guess it's fine and beneficial to keep people playing and raiding" but that's the argument made here, except for pvp. You're just butthurt because you're no good at it or something, or can't dedicate yourself to it enough to rank.

So if you made any sense at all, why are there more than 0 pugs queueing right now?

People also do battlegrounds for gear. Give me your argumentation as to why making the gear adequate would only increase premading, rather than EVERYONE queueing. This server isn't blizzlike. If it was, you couldn't play AB right now, and you wouldn't be able to queue from capital cities. Patch 1.10.0: The Bonereaver's Edge's triggered effect has been changed. Instead of lowering your victim's armor, it will cause you to ignore a portion of your victim's armor. Its triggering rate was substantially increased as well as the magnitude of the effect. In addition, the item now has 16 stamina. They decided to leave the weapon like that and make it function like it did it in 1.10. You're getting overpowered PvE gear in non-blizzlike progression. Sources: http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patch_1.10.0 https://www.engadget.com/2011/08/23/wow-archivist-patch-1-10-storms-of-azeroth/ Rank 14, suck my dick and choke on it

By which logic will it only increase premades will to pvp, rather than... everyones? What singles out premades like this?

Protip: If your immediate reaction to this suggestion is "fuck off I dont want pvp gear to be as good as pve gear" you should eat a dick take a step back and think about why you think so. Explain why you think so that it can be discussed, evaluated, and (this is probably why you dont do it), potentially proven wrong. Source? All I remember there happening is the updated pvp sets being in since release by mistake. IS this what you're talking about?

The way I see it, premade vs premade being seperated from pug vs pug is probably possible, but it's not as simple as a fix as it's suggested to be. Seperating prem vs prem from pug vs pug raises a few very important questions that would have to be answered ahead of time. Does prem vs prem yield the same honor as pug vs pug? If yes, what is the actual motivator for people to play prem vs prem then? The games will almost certainly take longer due to people trying hard on both sides. Why not just take your chances in potentially easy to win pugs instead? You may argue "one team will give up" but why would people queue up for prem vs prem in the first place if they're probably just going to have to give up for honor efficiency sake? If it doesn't yield the same honor as pug vs pug, how do you balance it? Will pug vs pug inevitably not allow you to keep up, even if winning the same amount of games? Doesn't that just force people to play premade games anyways if they want to rank, like it is now? How do you stop people from bringing coordinated groups into pug vs pug? Even more custom systems required? If you dont do this, wont every single premade just "pug" so they can stomp anyway and you'd hate it anyways? My point here isn't that it's impossible, my point is that you're looking at a complete revamp of the honor system when you make this suggestion. Be aware of what you ask for. A simple straight forward seperation of pug vs pug and prem vs prem without any systems to address all this might aswell be labeled Prem vs Prem - Wintrading Pug vs Pug - Sync queueing And this doesn't seem like a valid solution to anything to me.

However:

Given that custom fixes to gold economy and custom content release order is already in place, the answer is the latter. Or atleast, it's not supposed to be a 1:1 copy of the original game. This isnt' supposed to be mean "it's a slippery slope anyways", it's supposed to mean: We already have non-blizzlike changes for certain balance and fun reasons, and as such it's not a sufficient argument to say "it's not blizzlike" when arguing against it. Stop using it.

Custom content is already in the server and it hasn't killed it so far. Why you're making this assumption is beyond me and probably beyond all logic aswell. Wether content is vanilla or not is irrelevant aswell because it's not in this current patch. Would you be fine with ZG being released before BWL? I asked this before and nobody answered. Maybe it's because this question got you by the balls? idk if you're intentionally making this comical but it's pretty hysterical. People on hidden internet forums will be telling eachother not to play on Ely because there might be fun here. Why don't people tell eachother not to play here because DM east has been customized and changed to be less profitable? Because they don't. It's too small a thing to deter people from playing here, and this one is even entirely "negative" in terms of how it affects players. And again, because this is an actual question directed to you that I would like to see answered in order to understand your point (if it can be answered): Why does changing respec costs hypothetically cause such a huge purist backlash, but not customized DM farming or customized BG release order?