saintnixon

There is a distinction between uncontested pve instancing and highly contested pvp instancing. The entire point of my original recommendation of BRD was the fact that it is uncontested, not that it is in an instance. Also, the player controls the BRD reset, the server controls the AV reset.

Argument of semantics.

You won't? You get the influx of new players, that will sustain you.

You can't farm high level herbs and blotus in BRD.

Any news on Ossirian?

The only preferences unique to Zeth'kur players is that they either wanted a lower population or they wanted to avoid a queue. Fortunately for them Anathema has no queue and a lower population than Elysium. You could say they wanted a fresh realm too, but as I already stated there are many new fresh private servers that they can flock to if that is what they still want; elysium is not so fresh anymore.

The logic goes as follows: There are 4 variables to account for when choosing a realm; the realm type, the realm location, the content patch version, and the realm population. It does not get more fundamental than these, all else being equal. We can safely assume location should not be a factor in our case as we don't have regional server options. We can deduce that population does not have primacy in server choice due to the happenstance that players who prefer PVE will role on a PVE server despite a lesser population, ergo the presence of PVE servers in world where we can objectively quantify the higher demand for PVP servers. We have no evidence that players will play on a PVP server despite a low population in contrast to a high population PVE server because that is a scenario that does not occur. It is difficult to say whether content patch version is more fundamental than server type, but I would argue that it is true because it is a more over-arching stipulation, content patches phase in and out and are simply interval subsets of server progression, the state of 'PVP' or 'PVE' endures beyond and through them. Furthermore, it is borderline moot in our case because Darrowshire is further progressed than Elysium, also. The cool thing about language, logic, and cognition is that most of the time you can discern the logic behind a sentiment without having to inflate it into its more verbose, less subtle forms. But, thank you for reminding me that things that are apparent to people with a better understanding can escape others who are peering into an opaque quagmire when they try to reconcile their perception with that of others.

You are blatantly unaware that you perceive your position to be derived from logic while in reality it is built upon a hierarchy of subjective values relative to yourself. How is philosophy 101 going?

PVP versus PVE is the most fundamental aspect of server choice. You have lost any semblance of credibility that you had.

This conversation is absurd. To hell with the players who have left the project and don't monitor the announcements, they were nothing more than hype-cultists and will only ever drift aimlessly between fresh servers. Any player that left for legitimate concerns, yet was invested in their character and made bonds within the community will see this news and act in accordance. This conversation is nothing more than a petty rivalry between players on Anathema and players on Elysium. Elysium's argument is that ZK players will obviously prefer Elysium because it is the "healthy" realm; if that is true then go on and continue to play on Elysium and don't fret over things such as this, you have your alleged healthy population and if you are right then any active player will choose to join you on your server. However, the truth of the matter is that Anathema is far from dead, anyone who thinks so is merely blaming the shortcomings of themselves or their guild on their environment. The only truth of the matter is that our 60 population dwarfs sub-60 population. So, in truth, this is not about the just fate of default transfers, this is about Elysium players being insecure about the health of their own server. Stop your server>project mentality, we all rise and fall together. His statement is fine. Essentially the staff has to be the tie-breaker between the preferences of Anathema players and Elysium players, I see nothing wrong with them using their perspective to break such a tie. On another note, there was no uproar from the anathema players at the time of the original announcement when it "favored" elysium, perhaps because we had the presence of mind to realize 99% of players will choose their preference and not be transferred by default. Stop throwing a tantrum.

No matter their decisions on matters such as this there will be a segment of the population who get shafted; think of all the people who are busting their ass right now farming elemental fire - if they implement what you want, their time becomes retroactively and arbitrarily wasted because they could have done something else or nothing at all and been just as well off as far as GFPPs go. That doesn't seem fair to them, they should be able to profit from their hard work, be it monetarily or via raid success. Making elemental fire ubiquitous cheapens their labors. Better to stay the course of 'blizzlike' because that is what was promised and is what should be expected. You may argue that they have departed from blizzlike but that is a segway into a new conversation. Until they announce that they no longer intend to emulate blizzlike conditions, then blizzlike is all we can expect and gear our efforts towards.

The xmute is released when AQ is on the horizon as an indirect nerf to the previous raid tiers, implementing it early simply would make content that is already trivial to master exceedingly easy and, in turn, boring. Whatever raid tier the current patch is focusing on should be the one that is expensive to consume for.

Their color is directly correlated with their Gelkis centaur clan reputation.

Shaman/druid/pally tanks are viable, they just aren't preferred/accepted by large portions of the community. If we are speaking strictly of raids, you are going to have to go through tremendous efforts to get those classes to tank anything reliably/effectively but with the right group of people you would be surprised at what is possible. Same goes for unorthodox dps specs (smite priest, ret pally, boomkin, enhance/ele shams...etc). So, while they are far from optimal and they will be received with extreme prejudice in many crowds, it is an exaggeration to claim they aren't viable. If you are participating in the aspects of the game that aren't pve raids (pvp, leveling, 5-mans) they are all perfectly viable and even preferable in many circumstances (e.g. pally tank in ud strat, dps shamans in pvp). The problem is that too much of the community only focuses on end-game raiding; vanilla is about much more than that. Even in raids, certain players enjoy the challenge of doing things that are not facilitated nor expected. As for custom content (new quests, new items...) I share your desire for a server that masterfully revamps such things while retaining the vanilla experience but the Elysium staff have stated their project's mission and that is to recreate vanilla wow as it was then. Some things must be compromised due to the difference in accessible community knowledge, staff resources, and server populations, but to attempt to sway them from their objective is unfair and would also result in a huge backlash from the community.

Accelerated Elysium/ZK timelines with the goal of unifying the PVP realms eventually when their content patches synchronize would benefit anyone who would be interested in such a transfer while also allowing the people who aren't interested a chance to experience the progressive releases they were promised and the AQ-release events so that they don't protest. Downside being accelerated patches are probably a burden on the devs to some degree.

I, for one, find the honest and justified retort submitted by Hudson refreshing. Professionalism has merits but that doesn't mean you have to walk on eggshells and placate blithering idiots. A professional should respond to situations with a degree of contempt, neutrality, compassion, etc depending on what is warranted by the circumstance and Hudson was in no way out-of-line. This is a community that has arisen from the bloated corpse of a game that was destroyed due to the appeasement of vocal, weak players. Do you really find it surprising that we enjoy being represented by a staff that drops the hammer on those same corrupting influences? The mentality of "maintain professionalism (read: sycophantic sterility) regardless of circumstance" that you espouse is that of someone who has had their integrity and strength of mind reduced to ashes by years of abuse from middle management. This isn't the 1950's; the customer is not always right.

Quit getting extorted by herbalists by becoming an herbalist.

Yes, you want to acquire elemental fire easily regardless of how, I know. It's not supposed to be ubiquitous during the MC/BWL content patches.

You are proposing a false equivalence; the herb situation was negating the worth of two entire professions. You could ride around a zone looking for herbs for 30 minutes and only find golden samsan, and if you were lucky maybe a dreamfoil or two. A lotus, while I occasionally did happen upon one before the herb patch, could never be counted on no matter how hard you tried. Now, as long as you put the time in you won't leave empty-handed. Before the herb patch my alch/herb character was just rotting. The scarcity of herbs was not only causing prices to rise, but it was causing players to only create potions/elixirs that were ideal. This means that 95% of the available end-game recipes are never being created because no one will sacrifice a single dreamfoil or plaguebloom for anything except raid consumes. The elemental fire situation was never like this, first off because it is a luxury item, required by no-one. Secondly, it can be farmed regardless of professions so it effects everyone evenly. And third, as I mentioned already, you can farm them in BRD securely. Every raid-tier is going to have its price-gouged item and until the heart-of-fire transmute is released it will be elemental fire. The scarcity of elemental fire is not impacting the metagame of entire professions. Get an FR set and save yourself time and money. If you are in an elitist guild that requires gfpp then convince them to provide them via the gbank or get in BRD when un'goro is saturated.

Elemental fires can be farmed inside BRD by 60s. It might not be what you prefer to do but that is limitless uncontested farm. Grab a friend and split them down the middle. Dark iron highway-->8 Fire elementals leading up to incendius. Some classes can even solo it (warlock for sure).

Boss should reset to full HP to legitimize the kills. This should be obvious. This was never in dispute everyone knows this. The point of contention is why is the boss being re-tagged before it has regained its health? I haven't witnessed this yet but the series of events that leads to this sanctioned exploit should be slim to none. Either all of the defenders die before the aggressors have been placed on Azuregos' aggro table (essentially the aggressors just watch them wipe from afar) and once they see the reset they spam instant casts for a fresh tag, but even then only if the boss was super close to his spawn point; or the aggressors defeat the defenders and then knowingly kite the tagged Azuregos back to his spawn before resetting. Is this what is happening? I hope so, because if Azuregos is simply being re-tagged at low HP when he is no where near his spawn point that goes against the behavior of every mob I've ever seen in my time spent playing this game, and seems asinine. Assuming that is not the case, I would support a full reset regardless of how the boss became disengaged to promote the health of the server.

Sounds like the perfect reason to re-pioneer FR-gear raiding. GFPP are not necessary for any raid encounter that is on farm status, they just allow dps to bathe in aoe so they can maximize damage. Buy/farm a handful for progression kills and call it a day.

We dealt with it on Anathema...server pop was 8-11K until February/March and that is when the patch that added the heart of fire xmute hit. I'm not saying that you should suffer because we suffered but...it really wasn't that bad.

If you are an experienced player you will succeed on either server. If you are inexperienced or have a terrible attitude you will struggle on either server. I would recommend considering how long you anticipate playing on one of these servers. If you have your life squared away and are ready to spend 3 years progressing towards naxx, then go Elysium. If you are shorter on time than that just jump into Anathema a bit late. The lower population in leveling zone is counter-balanced by the other players being alts of veterans and also you won't have to compete for quest mobs as much. Some quests on Elysium you have to skip or queue for 30 minutes to get done. But, it will be easier to find dungeon groups on Elysium. It isn't exactly hard to do on Anathema either though unless you are terrified of talking to people.

Sounds like you have yet to zone in.