Super general questions about Vanilla - no experience/beginner!

[MisterRay 0]

Hi there,

 

I am only here as I hear so much hype about the Vanilla servers and it also caught my curiosity. I am by no means an experienced WoW player as I started since the expansion Wrath of the Lich King.

 

Now, I have so many questions about the Vanilla servers and since I have no experience with it, I'd love to get some answers from you to enlighten me. Please keep in mind that the answers you give is your personal opinion and it would be great if it doesn't turn into a furious discussion.

 

Anyway!

 

Be ready, it's a bunch of questions and thank you everyone who is taking their time to answer:

 

 

GENERAL

 

1. What makes Vanilla so awesome for you (in your opinion)?

 

2. How hard is it to grind to level 60? What is the average time to level?

 

3. Is farming gold a struggle?

 

4. What is the "highest" item level?

 

5. How difficult is it to get epic/legendary gear?

 

6. Are there flying mounts?

 

7. Do you see yourself playing on Vanilla servers for the next, let's say, 2 years? If yes, why? If no,why?

 

8. Since it's just "Vanilla" servers, how do they update content? It's pretty impossible, correct?

 

9. Which stats are there? For example, legion has multistrike, versatility, etc. while Vanilla has attack damage, spirit, etc? Little information on this matter would be great.

 

10. Do addons work? If yes, where to get the old versions? At Curse.com?

 

11. If you have the most updated WoW installed, do I have to uninstall it in order to play on Elysium?

 

12. Is there a skill tree? Do you upgrade abilites?

 

 

CLASSES

 

1. Best tank class? Best damage class? Best healing class? - PVE

 

2. Best tank class (if it exists)? Best damage class? Best healing class? - PVP

 

3. If there is no "best class", briefly explain which class is amazing and why

 

 

PROFESSIONS

 

1. Do professions exist?

 

2. Easiest profession to level vs. hardest profession to level?

 

3. Profession that makes you "a lot" of gold?

 

 

PvE

 

1. From level 1-60, any dungeons? If yes, does it work with a queue system or you have to walk there by yourself?

 

2. Raids? How many? Level of difficulties? 40 men or what are the group sizes?

 

3. Loot drop = roll the dice? Need/greed system?

 

 

PvP

 

1. 2v2, 3v3 and 5v5 arenas exist?

 

2. Battlegrounds exist?

 

 

 

Once again, I appreciate every answer that some of you give me and by no means every question needs to be answered. I am mostly trying to figure out the potential of Vanilla servers and what is the hype around it And honestly, looking at videos, gear, raids etc. it already looks better than legion haha.

 

Thanks guys!

 

Ray

[SikSan 4]

PvP

 

Vanilla is the best wow pvp exp since it's all about open world pvp. You have to fight literally for everything, no insta teleport dungeon finders and flying mounts that making OW skirmishes obsolete. I'd call that a warcraft.

 

No arenas, BGs are there. No special pvp stats.

Edited November 25, 2016 by SikSan

[sojs 0]

vanilla is fun because there is always something to do you can go out to farm something and run into opposing faction he calls a friend you call a friend all of a sudden there is a giant battle going on and random people who are walking by join in

 

little things like farming are made fun in vanilla because of how contested the resources are

 

as for your general questions about gear and talents look at

http://db.vanillagaming.org/

it will answer most of your questions

 

 

as for addons there are quite a few but the list is limited compared to current wow just search addon name with 1.12 after it and you should be able to find some or an addon pack with a lot of differnt ones in it.

 

sadly most aren't nearly as customizable as current wow 

Edited November 25, 2016 by sojs

[MisterRay 0]

vanilla is fun because there is always something to do you can go out to farm something and run into opposing faction he calls a friend you call a friend all of a sudden there is a giant battle going on and random people who are walking by join in

 

little things like farming are made fun in vanilla because of how contested the resources are

 

as for your general questions about gear and talents look at

http://db.vanillagaming.org/

it will answer most of your questions

 

 

as for addons there are quite a few but the list is limited compared to current wow just search addon name with 1.12 after it and you should be able to find some or an addon pack with a lot of differnt ones in it.

 

sadly most aren't nearly as customizable as current wow 

 

Cool, thanks for the answer! This actually sounds a lot of fun haha.

I will check out the link you've sent me and will google these addons. Thanks a lot!

[Undertanker 88]

GENERAL

 

1. What makes Vanilla so awesome for you (in your opinion)?  It is a time sync in a good way.   Instances/raids are not obsolete because the next thing is out.  There are reasons to continue to do all raids as there are BiS items scattered around the different raids.   It requires being social and your reputation is everything.  You ninja, it will get blasted and you will never get a good raiding spot again with any decent guild.  Can't name change and hide.

 

2. How hard is it to grind to level 60? What is the average time to level?   Warrior is very gear dependent, rogue is close to same issue.   Other classes, their abilities get them by just fine, however it is more of a grind than a challenge.   Some quest are hard because there are elite quest, and quest that involve camps of mobs that may be crowded, or in a contested zone.  If you know what you are doing and stay focused the ENTIRE time and go hardcore no downtime 5.5 days played.   Take your time, 8-10 days played.

 

3. Is farming gold a struggle? About 1 hour of farming for every 2 hours you raid if you are using full consumables.  Some classes farm better than others, see class forums.

 

4. What is the "highest" item level? http://db.vanillagaming.org/?items#0-2+1 lvl 92.  However in Vanilla best gear doesn't always mean highest level.  With Naxx gear tier items this may be true, but for off items and lower raids, prioritize the stats the gear gives you, not what "iLVL" it is.  You are not judged by that in Vanilla, throw that mindset out of the window.

 

5. How difficult is it to get epic/legendary gear? To get Epic gear, you have to raid 20 / 40 mans.   They are not hard, however if you go in not knowing what you are doing, you may wipe the raid if you had an assigned job.  Read up on boss strats or ask questions before a pull.  In 40 mans, bosses may drop only 2 items, sometimes 3.   So loot comes slow, be patient.  Thunderfury typlically goes to a main tank or 2 first, then a rogue or fury might have a shot in a guild.  Some guilds got 3-4 in 14 months, some got 0.  Its RNG.  3% from 2 different bosses in MC, gotta get both bindings.    The Legendary Hammer is best for a shammy or pally pvper, low drop rate for eye from Rag and the ignots needed to craft it drop every few MC runs.  On average a guild should be able to make one once a year unless they do double runs of MC.

 

6. Are there flying mounts? Nope.

 

7. Do you see yourself playing on Vanilla servers for the next, let's say, 2 years? If yes, why? If no,why? Yes, I've played Vanilla for multiple years, while I want to clear Naxx, I also want to have it on sweet 1-2 night farm status.  I don't want to quit with BiS gear, I want to own people in open word with by Shield block Value stacking shield slam crits - end game prot pvp.

 

8. Since it's just "Vanilla" servers, how do they update content? It's pretty impossible, correct? Unlike retail where a new raid comes out and the others are obsolete, even when the last raid is released, there are still BiS items in BWL, favorable pieces in MC, AQ 40, enchant items needed in ZG, and a nice item here or there in AQ20.

 

9. Which stats are there? For example, legion has multistrike, versatility, etc. while Vanilla has attack damage, spirit, etc? Little information on this matter would be great.  Stamina , Agil , Str, Spirit, Int, Spell crit %, Spell hit %, + Spell power, + healing, + MP5/HP5, +resist (element), +defense, +Dodge %, + Parry %, + Crit %, +hit %, +attack power, +melee attack power / +ranged attack power, +x amount of damage, +chance on hit weapons (for procs)

 

10. Do addons work? If yes, where to get the old versions? At Curse.com? The addon section of the forum should have an addon pack that has a good amount of essentials.   Use Google: "Vanilla addon <name>"  when you see a video or forum referencing an addon you don't have but are interested in.

 

11. If you have the most updated WoW installed, do I have to uninstall it in order to play on Elysium? You need to have the 1.12.1 client installed, see "Help" section of forum to get a 1.12.1 client.

 

12. Is there a skill tree? Do you upgrade abilites? Talent Tree: http://db.vanillagaming.org/?talent   You learn different ranks of abilities and spells from your class trainer every 2 levels new abilities are avialble.  Make sure if it is a spell to open your spell book and add the highest rank to your action bar.   Note: healers down rank heals with +healing gear on.  See healing sections for more info.   A mage might keep rank 1 frost bolt on bar at all times for a fast snare ability. 

 

 

CLASSES

 

1. Best tank class? Best damage class? Best healing class? - PVE :  Warrior best overall tank for hard hitting mobs.  Pally best AoE tank, doesn't have taunt so have to play smart with that, can't tank certain bosses or have to change mechanics.  Druid can't get crit/crush off the hit table, but high EPH for magic damage based bosses.   End game damage:  Fury Warrior / Warlock > Rogue / Mage > Shadow Priest / Hunter > Feral Druid / Ret Pally / Shaman ele-enhance / Balance Druid

 

2. Best tank class (if it exists)? Best damage class? Best healing class? - PVP   Druids best flag carriers.   Hunters/Rogues good defenders   Mage and lock are both strong, mage more survival skills.    Warrior Arms needs a healer.   Pally most "tanky" healers.  

 

3. If there is no "best class", briefly explain which class is amazing and why:  no.

 

 

PROFESSIONS

 

1. Do professions exist? Yes

 

2. Easiest profession to level vs. hardest profession to level?  Skinning is easy.   Alchemy is easy.    Blacksmithing and enchanting can suck

 

3. Profession that makes you "a lot" of gold?   Herbing rare black lotus and other high demand herbs, or getting the rare raid enchantment patterns.

 

 

PvE

 

1. From level 1-60, any dungeons? If yes, does it work with a queue system or you have to walk there by yourself? Many instances, first for horde is RFC, first for alli is VanCleaf / Deadmines.  Run there yourself, no queue system.   Remember when I said you have to be sociable and your reputation matters, this is where that starts.

 

2. Raids? How many? Level of difficulties? 40 men or what are the group sizes? In Order  Onxyia/MC = 40 man, then BWL = 40 man, then ZG = 20 man, then AQ20 and AQ 40 release at the same time.   Then Naxx 40.   Plenty of content with valuable stuff in all of these.

 

3. Loot drop = roll the dice? Need/greed system? If you need something in a 5 man, hit need, if you don't hit greed.   In raids, masterlooter by raid leader is typically used.

 

 

PvP

 

1. 2v2, 3v3 and 5v5 arenas exist? Nope.  

 

2. Battlegrounds exist? Yes, WSG, AB, and 40 man AV.

Edited November 25, 2016 by Undertanker

[Syff 23]

I will give it a go

 

GENERAL

 

1. What makes Vanilla so awesome for you (in your opinion)?

It's more of a challange, and it feels rewarding.

 

2. How hard is it to grind to level 60? What is the average time to level?

couple of days /played if you are breaking records

 

3. Is farming gold a struggle?

not really

 

4. What is the "highest" item level?

no idea, is ilvl a thing?

 

5. How difficult is it to get epic/legendary gear?

ona scale from 1 to 1, 1

 

6. Are there flying mounts?

no

 

7. Do you see yourself playing on Vanilla servers for the next, let's say, 2 years? If yes, why? If no,why?

No idea what life brings me in the meantime

 

8. Since it's just "Vanilla" servers, how do they update content? It's pretty impossible, correct?

Retail had updates right?

 

9. Which stats are there? For example, legion has multistrike, versatility, etc. while Vanilla has attack damage, spirit, etc? Little information on this matter would be great.

Here is a link to see all stats and what they do http://vanilla-wow.wikia.com/wiki/Attributes 

 

10. Do addons work? If yes, where to get the old versions? At Curse.com?

yes, check the forums

 

11. If you have the most updated WoW installed, do I have to uninstall it in order to play on Elysium?

Yes you will need version 1.12 which you can download from this website once it's up again. You can also download it from the Nostalrius forums

 

12. Is there a skill tree? Do you upgrade abilites?

yes

 

CLASSES

 

1. Best tank class? Best damage class? Best healing class? - PVE

Play what you like

 

2. Best tank class (if it exists)? Best damage class? Best healing class? - PVP

Play what you like

 

3. If there is no "best class", briefly explain which class is amazing and why

Play what you like

 

 

PROFESSIONS

 

1. Do professions exist?

yes

 

2. Easiest profession to level vs. hardest profession to level?

easy : gathering, hard : proffesions where you have to make stuff

 

3. Profession that makes you "a lot" of gold?

Depends, gathering always works i guess

 

 

PvE

 

1. From level 1-60, any dungeons? If yes, does it work with a queue system or you have to walk there by yourself?

Yes lots of them and you have to walk there by yourself

 

2. Raids? How many? Level of difficulties? 40 men or what are the group sizes?

yes, handfull (depending on the active patch) 40 men

 

3. Loot drop = roll the dice? Need/greed system?

all of the above

 

 

PvP

 

1. 2v2, 3v3 and 5v5 arenas exist?

no

 

2. Battlegrounds exist?

yes

 

 

[Gayliens 0]

GENERAL

 

1. What makes Vanilla so awesome for you (in your opinion)?
The memories i've gathered years ago playing this game, killing a boss with 40ppl in TS and everyone is shouting "yes, we did it". Amazing.
 

 

2. How hard is it to grind to level 60? What is the average time to level?

As much as i remember it is very hard and will take a long long time! Ingame time maybe around 20-30H. If i remember correctly

 

3. Is farming gold a struggle?

Yes it is. Get a ice mage, farming gold will be easy!

4. What is the "highest" item level?

Hard question... dont know how to answer.

5. How difficult is it to get epic/legendary gear?

It is very diffculty getting epic's or legendary, another factor why vanilla is so great! Epics have a real value!

6. Are there flying mounts?

Nope

7. Do you see yourself playing on Vanilla servers for the next, let's say, 2 years? If yes, why? If no,why?

If i could i probably wouldnt stop playing on the vanilla servers. From my personal point of view, its just the best game ever created.

8. Since it's just "Vanilla" servers, how do they update content? It's pretty impossible, correct?

The vanilla story might be one of the longest. MC - BWL - ONYXIA - AHNQURIAY (?) - NAXXARAMAS

9. Which stats are there? For example, legion has multistrike, versatility, etc. while Vanilla has attack damage, spirit, etc? Little information on this matter would be great.

Just the basic stats, + crit, evasion, hit, dodge ... i do not remember more

10. Do addons work? If yes, where to get the old versions? At Curse.com?

you find them in the forum, addons do work.

11. If you have the most updated WoW installed, do I have to uninstall it in order to play on Elysium?

no you dont,  http://forum.nostalrius.org/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2803 just install the game in a different folder

12. Is there a skill tree? Do you upgrade abilites?

each class has 3 different skill trees

 

CLASSES

 

1. Best tank class? Best damage class? Best healing class? - PVE

Warrior - Pala - druid (in very rar cases) // mage - hunter // shamen - priest

2. Best tank class (if it exists)? Best damage class? Best healing class? - PVP

Warrior - pala / rogue / druid

3. If there is no "best class", briefly explain which class is amazing and why

 

 

PROFESSIONS

 

1. Do professions exist?

They do

2. Easiest profession to level vs. hardest profession to level?

ench super hard to level  - all farming skills like mining, skinning...

3. Profession that makes you "a lot" of gold?

farming skills

 

PvE

 

1. From level 1-60, any dungeons? If yes, does it work with a queue system or you have to walk there by yourself?

There are lots of dungeons, earlier in the days you had to walk to the dungeons to do they, dont know how it works on this privat server

2. Raids? How many? Level of difficulties? 40 men or what are the group sizes?

there are serveral different Raids most of them are 40+, there were aswell 10 and 15man raiding dungeons

3. Loot drop = roll the dice? Need/greed system?

set lootsettings to rar, then go /rnd 100
might be wrong memories
 

 

PvP

 

1. 2v2, 3v3 and 5v5 arenas exist?

nope

2. Battlegrounds exist?

yes

 

Edited November 25, 2016 by Gayliens

[MisterRay 0]

 

GENERAL

 

 

 

 

Holy hell, this is so eye-opening for me. So Vanilla is grind heavy, which I like. It also forces you to be more interactive with other people.

 

All in all, this already makes me really hyped about the game. Thank you for sharing your opinion on this, much appreciated

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[Undertanker 88]

No problem.  

 

Raiding is 75% preparation, and mana management for healers matters.   Warriors can't LoL AoE tank so be patient with them.  Hybrid specs are weak in raids for the most part and only 1 per might be allowed for specific reasons.

Edited November 25, 2016 by Undertanker

[MisterRay 0]

I will give it a go

 

GENERAL

 

 

Haha, quick and easy answers. Thank you for this, kind sir, and thank you for your time!

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[MisterRay 0]

GENERAL

 

 

 

Seems like you share the same opinion with others here regarding classes and other elements in the game. Just confirms how awesome Vanilla is ... or at least sounds. Thank you a lot for the explanation! Greatly appreciated!

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[Undertanker 88]

Holly фекал, stop quoting my full text.

[Gayliens 0]

 

 

PvE

 

2. Raids? How many? Level of difficulties? 40 men or what are the group sizes? In Order  Onxyia/MC = 40 man, then BWL = 40 man, then ZG = 20 man, then AQ20 and AQ 40 release at the same time.   Then Naxx 40.   Plenty of content with valuable stuff in all of these.

You seem to be a very experienced person, do you know if there is still the LBR, UBR raids (10pers.) if i remeber correctly?

 

[MisterRay 0]

No problem.  

 

Raiding is 75% preparation, and mana management for healers matters.   Warriors can't LoL AoE tank so be patient with them.  Hybrid specs are weak in raids for the most part and only 1 per might be allowed for specific reasons.

 

So over the time, raiding got much easier while in Vanilla its about wiping 100 times more until the boss is dead? Sounds like that and I LOVE IT!

[Undertanker 88]

 

 

 

PvE

 

2. Raids? How many? Level of difficulties? 40 men or what are the group sizes? In Order  Onxyia/MC = 40 man, then BWL = 40 man, then ZG = 20 man, then AQ20 and AQ 40 release at the same time.   Then Naxx 40.   Plenty of content with valuable stuff in all of these.

You seem to be a very experienced person, do you know if there is still the LBR, UBR raids (10pers.) if i remeber correctly?

 

 

 

LBRS and UBRS can be 10 manned.   LBRS quest runs have to be 5 manned.   

[Undertanker 88]

So over the time, raiding got much easier while in Vanilla its about wiping 100 times more until the boss is dead? Sounds like that and I LOVE IT!

 

Not really.   More so of bring consumables.    Bring your Fire resist pots for this fight, free action potions for these mobs if you are a tank/melee, immolation potions, mana potions, nature resist potions for AQ.   Also ZG last boss and Onxyia head you can turn in for a raid wide buff, when you have raids on farm, you may spend 20+ minutes before raid starts getting these buffs for your raid so you can speed clear things once your guild gets good at not dying to stuff.

 

This is where guild competition comes into play, as www.realmplayers.com will record your raid information for others to look at if you have somebody in raid recording the information through addons.

 

Some bosses make these world buffs a lot easier, and can get to be a pain in the butt if you are undergeared and don't have the buffs.

[MisterRay 0]

I see alright. Most of it I will learn anyway while playing but as a new player on Vanilla servers it feels like a completely new game to me

[Undertanker 88]

LOL at the person that said leveling to max takes 20-30 hours.        Closer to 180-240 hours if you look at the normal 8-10 days played for people who are not going hardcore. 

[Gayliens 0]

GETTING EXCITED FOR THIS!
How long ago is it that vanilla was lunched... damn this memories.. must be like 12 years already..
 

[MisterRay 0]

LOL at the person that said leveling to max takes 20-30 hours.        Closer to 180-240 hours if you look at the normal 8-10 days played for people who are not going hardcore. 

 

Hey, it's fine. As I said earlier, it's about own opinion so it doesn't matter if it is close to truth or not ... I just want to get a feel for the game as I am a new chicken here while everyone seems so experienced haha.

 

It will take me months to understand mechanics, i.e. raid bosses.

[Undertanker 88]

GETTING EXCITED FOR THIS!

How long ago is it that vanilla was lunched... damn this memories.. must be like 12 years already..

 

Watch the server announcement promotion video:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3GIIVG02cA&feature=youtu.be

[Gayliens 0]

Watch the server announcement promotion video:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3GIIVG02cA&feature=youtu.be

 

Thanks mate, this video just visualized the pictures in my head!

I'm loving it!

 

[LordGold 10]

Bobby Kotick is that you?

[Danko 1]

1. What makes Vanilla so awesome for you (in your opinion)? - The fact that i have to socialize while leveling, and the overall time it takes to get to max level, it gives me a sense of achievement.

 

2. How hard is it to grind to level 60? What is the average time to level? - For someone who never played vanilla leveling could take months, however there are addons like questie and vanillaguide (by joana) that will speed the process up significantly

 

3. Is farming gold a struggle? - Depends, as a mage you can AOE farm, so its easier, i dont know about others.

 

4. What is the "highest" item level? - There is no item level in vanilla, you got tiers, i never really raided so i might be wrong but i think tier 3 was the best (naxx gear, watch this video about naxx to get an understanding of how hard it was to get those t3 items: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBPHRlgczmk

 

5. How difficult is it to get epic/legendary gear? - Pretty difficult, especially higher raids. Still if u have a good guild, you'll be fine.

 

6. Are there flying mounts? - no, there are none, you will be on foot for a LONG LONG time, which might sound shitty, but you will encounter a lot of people this way, so you can socialize, make friends, enemies etc etc.

 

7. Do you see yourself playing on Vanilla servers for the next, let's say, 2 years? If yes, why? If no,why? - Yes, because the community will be awesome.

 

8. Since it's just "Vanilla" servers, how do they update content? It's pretty impossible, correct? - Yes, this server will be on vanilla for a long time.

 

9. Which stats are there? For example, legion has multistrike, versatility, etc. while Vanilla has attack damage, spirit, etc? Little information on this matter would be great. - Well, there are items that will increase your healing, items are pretty weird in vanilla

 

10. Do addons work? If yes, where to get the old versions? At Curse.com? - http://www.vanilla-addons.com/ this is a good source for addons.

 

11. If you have the most updated WoW installed, do I have to uninstall it in order to play on Elysium? - No you dont have to, you just need a vanilla client and an account.

 

12. Is there a skill tree? Do you upgrade abilites? - Yes, you go from rank 1 to rank 5+ etc etc.

 

 

1. Best tank class? Best damage class? Best healing class? - PVE  Answer: Tank=Warrior DPS=Mage, rouge, fury warrior, healers= Priest, shaman, paladin.

 

2. Best tank class (if it exists)? Best damage class? Best healing class? - PVP - Answer: Well, i guess warriors are good at pvp even if they are tanks, best pvp class is rouge, best healers are paladins on alliance side, and shamans on horde.

 

3. If there is no "best class", briefly explain which class is amazing and why -  Answer: Mage is the best dps next to rouge, the only tanks is warrior etc. For me mage is amazing, for you it might be something else, depens on you mate. I would recommend a mage or a hunter for someone that is starting out (note: You have to read up on hunters a LOT if u want to raid, they are not as simple as they seem).

 

 

1. 2v2, 3v3 and 5v5 arenas exist? - No

 

2. Battlegrounds exist? - Yes, you have to visit your battlemaster.

Edited November 25, 2016 by Danko

[MisterRay 0]

Great input there, Danko! Thanks so much for your time, this definitely makes me even more excited to play Vanilla. It's grind heavy and time intensive and this is what I am looking for!

 

Have a nice day